American Politics Discussion Thread

[Charr Babies]

I'm not sure you read anything I write to be fair. I'm arguing likely outcomes. You asked me to prove 1% wasn't better than the status quo (you said 0%, but that isn't the actual scenario). I did. I'm arguing because candidate A is bad at an issue doesn't mean candidate B would be better. This is basic logic.

If you want last word take it. This has been going on for 3 days and multiple pages. But I guarantee it will have no logic behind it. If you surprise me with a sudden burst of logic, I will post acknowledging. You can also just acknowledge you are hoping for a miracle with no logic behind it and that is also fine. I may also post if do an ad hominin attack as you've done a couple of times that I've ignored.

Your faulty logic is that party A may be better or worse than party B is up to anyone's guess, basic. That maybe true if you are playing some children's game. Once you cross the genocide redline you have already killed. That is end-game. There's no turning back. The dead remain dead. There is no redo. Do you get that, there is no redo! FIRST THING FIRST, you must go. You must be punished whether or not the other may kill more or less people than you. 

That you believe your simple calculation is proof of genocide is beyond ludicrous.

[greenline]

The Democrats keep giving people new reasons to vote blue no matter who. First crime and inflation shot up, now the markets are crashing. This is the sound economic fact based policy America needed all this time!

(Blaming a market crash strictly on the administration is of course untrue, as the American economic system has been working hard on building these very nasty time bombs for centuries. But it also continually highlights how vapid and idiotic the campaign messaging from the Democrats was only four years ago. 'You must vote Biden to stop the chaos caused by Trump.' But Biden-Harris have done nothing but ramp the chaos up to 11.)

[Mjmd]

I love how over performance in job data for the last almost every quarter and somehow not going into recession despite constant fears of such means nothing, but 1 down month with no discernible reason, with still low unemployment, means doom. I think we've been in a market bubble for a bit now and this is more of a correction because people realize line isn't perma up (which happens all the time), but we will see what actually happens. I will note "time bombs" is probably not an accurate description, but yes their is volatility in (checks notes) complicated economies based off of a multitude of factors. Stock markets in particular have a history of unfounded bubbles.

I'll note the economy under Republicans doesn't have a stellar track record. As noted for crime and inflation that was at the start of time period, you know when they were left with a mess. For things like deficit they have different metrics, but often don't count the first year of a presidents term as they are still working off of budgets last one left. How fast do you expect fixes? Its much easier when you are just given a growing economy than coming in to a mess.

By chaos you mean normal mediocre governing? Although again infrastructure bill I can't give enough credit for as multiple admins of both parties have failed prior. Anyways, how many high ranking officials have been forced out due to corruption scandals? Surely a record government shutdown has occurred? Have we betrayed our allies recently to get a pat on the back from a dictator? Perhaps putting sharpie on a map because you can't admit you are wrong? Its almost as if Biden has no clue how to be president!

[Charr Babies]

Real metrics of a country's well being - what matters to the 90% of us
Increase from Trump to Biden

People Incarcerated = +60%
Homelessness = +20%
National Debt = +25%   35 TRILLION. Interest Payments on the national debt alone consume about 76% of all personal income taxes collected

Money in my pocket = -40% 

[darrelljs]

People Incarcerated = +60%

Yes but at the same time average wages are up 327%, unemployment has dropped to -6.7% and average lifespan is up to 216 years. So it's a wash.

Darrell

[Mjmd]

I wonder if one side has policies trying to address this and the other side is very happy incarcerating more people and decreasing aid to the poor?

I wonder if unpaid tax cuts on the rich have affected the national debt at all over "checks notes" 3 different Republican presidents. Is one side increasing spending to the IRS and going after billions more in tax dollars and another trying to cut IRS spending. HMMMM.

Again, never going to say Democrats are perfect, but how much of the debt and ongoing deficit do you blame on Republican's unpaid for tax cuts? Its always really hard to raise taxes back up. Again, if you want to actually address the debt you have to look at  taxes and you have to look at military spending. Democrats at least try a bit on the first half and about 15% of them try on the second, which is still more than 0% of Republicans. Again, I used to believe Republicans were fiscally responsible, then I grew up and actually looked the history and facts. Then the Trump tax cuts put a nail in any illusion I still had.

[Charr Babies]

So the next potus can blame biden for leaving a mess because trump left a mess. S/he is free to fuck up more? Biden didn't do better, but worse. The least Biden can do is not to do worse, to claim credit of holding the sinking ship together. If you are incapable of making things better, you don't deserve to be the replacement.

Excuses dont matter. Facts do.

[Mjmd]

Biden has multiple achievements. I'm not saying its all sunshine, but bailing out a sinking shp and starting to get it patched up isn't nothing. Heck I would say we are in drydock atm with repairs underway.

You are cherry picking facts (logical fallacy) and then ignoring all causes for them. You are also ignoring all policies related to them both in the past and proposed in the future. Its bad logic.

[Charr Babies]

Biden has multiple achievements. I'm not saying its all sunshine, but bailing out a sinking shp and starting to get it patched up isn't nothing. Heck I would say we are in drydock atm with repairs underway.

You are cherry picking facts (logical fallacy) and then ignoring all causes for them. You are also ignoring all policies related to them both in the past and proposed in the future. Its bad logic.

  
Always the kettle. LOL with your fallacy again     I'd say you are the one cherry picking facts and ignore facts that matter. Yea, you may be wearing a suit but you are rotten inside.

[T-hawk]

The funny thing is how that stock market blip is weirdly self-anti-fulfilling. There was a minor bubble, caused in part because Trump looked like he was cruising to the next Republican administration. Now that Harris is a sign of life for the Democrats, the possibility of a business-hostile D administration is becoming priced in. The Dems' chances rising caused the pullback which will work against the Dems' chances.