American Politics Discussion Thread

[BING_XI_LAO]

Again, I think Jan 6 is the smoke, not the fire. He tried to overturn in many other ways. One of the scarier ones is that no republican can speak out against any of that. That has never happened before. In 2020 a lot of Republicans did the right thing. He tried to pressure them to overturn state results and they said no. I'm scared what they will say the next time if it isn't clear the American people won't put up with that; especially if their base is blindly devoted. And mind you a lot of the ones who said no are out replaced by people who very much seem willing to go along.

Isn't this a reductio ad absurdum of democracy? The reason Trump dominates the Republican elite (at least outwardly; they are still insubordinate behind closed doors, because sadly the US isn't an absolute monarchy in which a competent King would identify and execute traitors) is because he is more popular than they are. Isn't that democratic, then? If the Republican elite opposes Trump, then they are opposing the popular will, which would be anti-democratic. If you wanted substantive democracy, you'd welcome Trump inciting assassinations against those Republicans who have most brazenly opposed the popular will. And all the other Capitol Hill satanists, I guess.

But you want Republican elite to oppose Trump, for the sake of democracy. It seems like democracy requires specific outcomes to be manufactured in order for it to be properly democratic.

In which case why bother with the whole elections and voting thing? Why not shift to a Whole Process People's Democracy like in China, where there's still plenty of room for public feedback and local participation? Even Russia, whose governance is quite crude compared to China's, is still doing far better, now that it's cut off from the democratic world, than the 'democracy vs autocracy' memes predicted.

You could do away with the nonsensical fantasy in which the common people somehow are the ruling class and control the destiny of the state. For one thing, this fantasy is insultingly absurd, so it offends my sensibilities. There will always be a ruling class, the question is whether they can be appropriately humbled by the Throne and the Altar, and kept away from the seductions of the merchant caste.

The fiction of "voters controlling the future of the state" also requires a constant intense propagana spend, which is a bad use of the media that ruins public discourse with irrelevancies. It sets the citizenry against each other - something only a treacherous ruling class, hostile to the people, would want. Westerners are the most intensely indoctrinated people in history because places like China are fine with the citizenry coming the normal understanding that they cannot steer the ship of state, but in the West the public's attitudes have to be constantly recruited into some new political nonsense.

The West's constantly- and inevitably-subverted 'voter sovereignty,' which operates a relentless popularity contest, also degrades the quality of personnel willing and able to participate in the political process. The 'democratic' political class is grossly cognitively inferior to their 'authoritarian' counterparts - there's no-one in the CCP upper echelons as idiotic as Angela Rainer or Diane Abbot or David Lammy or Scholz, as fatuous as Trudeau, as perverted as Macron, as senile as Biden.

Additionally, an 'authoritarian' government would finally be able to liberate itself from oligarchic control and cancel the outsourcing, the privatisations, the artificial shortage of housing, the artificial imported supply of labour, and so on. It's sad that democracy is going to slowly degrade out of incompetence, rather than being actively replaced by a superior system such as Socialism with Chinese Characteristics.

[BING_XI_LAO]

And yes, it's not a risk, it's literally a guarantee, and people talking about "Trump 2.0 isn't going to be worse than 1.0" is literally what Putin wants you to believe.

I am personally loyal to President Putin because he's the only leader of a fully sovereign European state and I am a European - therefore I'm obliged to obey his commands. Every European has that duty.

However, the only reason Trump will be worse is that he's become tired, politically correct, and the tech elite has bribed him to back mass migration. (see thiel shoehorning Vance into the party with a massive primary spend; very artificial)

[BING_XI_LAO]

Biden hasn't done enough on Climate Change. Because the future of humanity depends on it, I am going to vote for Trump.

Do you see why your logic is confusing? By your logic if I care about climate change I should vote for Trump, who like Israel has multiple examples and statements indicating he would be worse. Have you ever heard of shooting yourself in the foot? Although that usually is in association with an accident instead of purposefully.

No you should support Chinese-style State Capitalism which can finance the underlying necessary infrastructure switch. Although TBH the reason China's domestic green energy investments currently outscale the rest of the world combined is probably so that they can endure a US naval blockade in a decade's time by running all their vehicles on electricity. That will allow them to liberate Taiwan Province from the capitalist occupiers.

[BING_XI_LAO]

So i guess Kim Reynolds (Iowa Gov) banned more books. https://www.iowapublicradio.org/educatio...ake-effect

Its one thing if they were banning straight up graphic material that you would find in a smut shop. Banning classics and books that teach certain lessons, along with other healthy looks at the subjects just rubs me the wrong way. I hope the rest of my state can think clearly and get her OWI anti-thc ass out of office.

When I was in school in the UK, we had to read Of Mice and Men which is a repulsive degenerate book written by an American. I wish it had been banned. IIRC, that one in particular was basically in favour of letting retards kill women without consequence, and portrayed executing the homicidal tard as some kind of tragedy. I still don't know what the exact angle was with that, but I don't want to know. What I do know is that the more degenerate American works are made illegal, the better.

Edit: just read 'to kill a mockingbird' wikipedia page. Should definitely be banned, very immoral.
If American children have to be taught about such unsavoury topics, then teach them about how the Anti-Defamation League was founded to protect a Jew with a taste for raping and killing gentile children. Today, this jewish supremacist organisation opposes gentiles having freedom of speech, presumably because it makes it harder to rape them (literally and figuratively)

Edit2: I just remembered about those pro-rape protests in Israel recently, where they felt their soldiers should be allowed to rape. LOLLOLOL

[greenline]

I would be careful about posting violent sounding rhetoric these days. People posting here from Germany or the UK could be liable to be arrested just for reading it.

The moral to Of Mice and Men was not that it was wrong that Lenny would be executed for strangling a woman, but that her wacko husband was not doing a good enough job of keeping her in line and not sleeping with the poor farmhands who would never really be able to afford the dream of owning a farm.

[BING_XI_LAO]

I would be careful about posting violent sounding rhetoric these days. People posting here from Germany or the UK could be liable to be arrested just for reading it.

Oh, yeah. I already had my sister try to get me fired because I politically trolled her in private emails (I think I got onto the topic of how great the Communist Party of China is, that's usually what does it). At least I'm not personally in the UK any more.

[Boro]

Damnit Bing I told you about the risks of prolonged mjmd exposure.

[Mjmd]

Damnit Bing I told you about the risks of prolonged mjmd exposure.

I think you said almost word for word the same after Bings last set of posts. Please stop trying to discredit me by linking me with him. It doesn't even make sense as he doesn't post anything in agreement with me.

[superdeath]

We have 2 resident trolls

[Boro]

Damnit Bing I told you about the risks of prolonged mjmd exposure.

I think you said almost word for word the same after Bings last set of posts. Please stop trying to discredit me by linking me with him. It doesn't even make sense as he doesn't post anything in agreement with me.

But he DOES go nuts every time he comes in, well, more nuts than usual.