American Politics Discussion Thread

[greenline]

Russian offensives have been relying a lot on their air force, which can't be swelled through mobilization. The drone heavy nature of the war discourages massing infantry together on a large scale. The best use that Russia has got out of large mobilizations has been to use the manpower to construct heavy fortifications quickly, and this is still not needed after the fronts were secured and Ukraine blew its offensive potential in 2023.

[BING_XI_LAO]

Damnit Bing I told you about the risks of prolonged mjmd exposure.

I think you said almost word for word the same after Bings last set of posts. Please stop trying to discredit me by linking me with him. It doesn't even make sense as he doesn't post anything in agreement with me.

Boro is right, your posts have an extreme effect on me (nothing personal) and trigger me into extreme paranoiac wall-o-texting

[Mjmd]

Russian offensives have been relying a lot on their air force, which can't be swelled through mobilization. The drone heavy nature of the war discourages massing infantry together on a large scale. The best use that Russia has got out of large mobilizations has been to use the manpower to construct heavy fortifications quickly, and this is still not needed after the fronts were secured and Ukraine blew its offensive potential in 2023.

Well they have tried massing on a large scale, but that hasn't proven very effective. It doesn't mean they couldn't use extra troops to push over a broader front area though. Just an fyi you are right it is hard to build up an air force fast. I wonder if something like long range missiles to strike them on the ground and more fighter jets would help against that problem...... My overall points remain; we have multiple reasons to help them. Your main argument that they are doomed is population, which has been overcome many many times under more difficult circumstances than the largest military on the planet and one of the other largest econ / military blocks helping out. Lets look at everything older than 35 years and see if it can be sent. Reagan was wrong about a lot a things including the ridiculous levels he pumped the US military to in the 80s, but I'm pretty sure he would have approved sending it to fight the Russians. We gotta have a lot of that junk left over that is getting close to end of life. We have 7 war stockpiles positioned around the world. 1 of which is in Europe and I'll give you 1 hint who those materials are intended to fight.

[BING_XI_LAO]

Silly of me to forget that Navalny died.

Not really, he was irrelevant. A stark contrast to Prigozhin.

[BING_XI_LAO]

Ukraine's existence is an insult to the dignity of humanity, and the sooner Russia eradicates that verminous shithole along with its fake bastardised dialect 'language', its dishonest and nonsensical 'history', and its degenerate terrorist political expression, the better. Fortunately Westerners are too backward and incompetent to compete militarily with Russia, we're only treated to the spectacle of a multi-year war because this conflict features long-range fires and high visibility including from satellites, preventing force concentrations and making everything slow.

Edit: also I forgot to say that Russia's military superiority is merely a relfection of its moral and economic superiority, caused by its political system.
Eastern Autocracy is modern, efficient, moral, and represents freedom and progress. Western democracy is old, backward, corrupt, immoral, and represents stagnation, oppression and failure. In order for a brighter global future to be explored, Western democracies must be attacked and destroyed, replaced by eastern-style dictatorships. Starting with a few million more dead malorussian traitors. Hopefully the Baltics are next.

[greenline]

Well they have tried massing on a large scale, but that hasn't proven very effective. It doesn't mean they couldn't use extra troops to push over a broader front area though. Just an fyi you are right it is hard to build up an air force fast. I wonder if something like long range missiles to strike them on the ground and more fighter jets would help against that problem...... My overall points remain; we have multiple reasons to help them. Your main argument that they are doomed is population, which has been overcome many many times under more difficult circumstances than the largest military on the planet and one of the other largest econ / military blocks helping out. Lets look at everything older than 35 years and see if it can be sent. Reagan was wrong about a lot a things including the ridiculous levels he pumped the US military to in the 80s, but I'm pretty sure he would have approved sending it to fight the Russians. We gotta have a lot of that junk left over that is getting close to end of life. We have 7 war stockpiles positioned around the world. 1 of which is in Europe and I'll give you 1 hint who those materials are intended to fight.

They are overmatched not just on population, but also in material and on the economy. Their total population estimate already declined by 10 million from the start of the war. Their native electrical production has almost been completely destroyed in the following years and their army increasingly has problems with desertion at the front lines while the government struggles to manage new recruits. In the present, they continue to lose attritional battles in the front lines. None of these signs make it seem like Ukraine is equipped to fight a long war, or that trickles of additional equipment won't just be more monetary losses thrown away.

[darrelljs]

Hopefully the Baltics are next.

The best case made on this forum for going all in to support Ukraine...thanks!

Darrell

[Mjmd]

I also thought Bings post would help prove my case to support Ukraine. I wasn't even going to comment because I thought it provided such a argument.

@Greenline Material and economy is something the US and Europe can easily provide. IF we want to. We don't have to provide a trickle either. I've sited numerous examples of areas where we probably have excess equipment. Was it a waste for various proxy countries to provide material to all the groups we've fought? Did the US easily prevail with our superior population and military? EVEN IF they are doomed (and again I disagree) my points actually are all still good for reasons to support them until then. We have spent oodles and mind boggling oodles amount of money in preparation for a war with Russia (along with oodles of money for other reasons, but just the Russia portion should be sufficient)., I see no reason not to send it to fight Russia.

[Charr Babies]

If you zoom out a bit and see the world as a whole, you'll see that us is the authoritarian regime, dictating that every nation in the world should be under its rules, its failed democracy. It has created the most human suffering all over the world since its birth...

Yet we are shamelessly talking about morals while we commit genocide 

[greenline]

I also thought Bings post would help prove my case to support Ukraine. I wasn't even going to comment because I thought it provided such a argument.

@Greenline Material and economy is something the US and Europe can easily provide. IF we want to. We don't have to provide a trickle either. I've sited numerous examples of areas where we probably have excess equipment. Was it a waste for various proxy countries to provide material to all the groups we've fought? Did the US easily prevail with our superior population and military? EVEN IF they are doomed (and again I disagree) my points actually are all still good for reasons to support them until then. We have spent oodles and mind boggling oodles amount of money in preparation for a war with Russia (along with oodles of money for other reasons, but just the Russia portion should be sufficient)., I see no reason not to send it to fight Russia.

Here's where your assumption is incorrect and highlights a problem the government has. The oodles of money spent on cold war tech was not spent for a possible war with Russia. It was all built for a possible war with the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union no longer exists. The Russian Federation is only a 'geopolitical rival' in the same way that India is. There is as much reason to blow all that material and money on Ukraine as there is to blow it propping up Pakistan - hardly any reason at all.