American Politics Discussion Thread

[darrelljs]

RFK Jr, vis-a-vis the locker, feels more like a shovee than a shover.

And fair's fair...if that's the rule then any time a wannabe anti-woke conservative or some closeted self hating homosexual starts banning books, denying science, or trying to take away the rights of anyone that isn't in their narrow definition of "normal", we have a bunch of college educated scientists in lab coats, all with names like Jill, Jane, or June, come up, vaccinate them against the measles, and blazon their pickup truck with rainbow bumper stickers while calling them an ignorant bigot and loser.

See how that works?

Maybe, just maybe, the solution to too much negativity is different.

Darrell

[greenline]

Is there a cultural archetype of Jill the scientist? The only thing that comes to mind is Jodie Foster's character in Contact.

(Our gay supervillains are not closeted anymore. Now, they are open about their true feelings. Progress!)

[BING_XI_LAO]

So first I'm crazy for calling it Satanic and then a few posts later you're tracing it back to Loki, that perverse traitor who will side with our great enemy the Giants at Ragnarok - and Dionisiac cults. How was I wrong?

Oh I do not believe Loki is any more real than Jesus or whatever cult you uphold. Apparently one that believes in demonology (despite even the Catholic Church fully acknowledging that possesion/demonology is a scam at best, mistreatment of the metally ill at worst). But I am using it to illustrate that people believed these concepts to be real. They believed their gods and heroes were real and also sometimes that they were trans so they believed in the concept. 

My other examples were merely showing that the concept of people transgressing (ha!) the supposedly rigid gender binary has always been a thing, will always be a thing. And that what even qualifies as these two binary poles is a changing, evolving concept.

The Norse regarded it as being most fully manifested by the evil shapeshifting trickster god. So it was "real" only in its existence as a false, evil belief. Even Odin was regarded as somewhat dishonourable because of certain effeminate behaviours. It wasn't a good thing.

Your 'point' about the gender binary is some kind of dumb strawman. Of course different cultures exist, but they all reflect the same sex differences in different ways.

[BING_XI_LAO]

Just like we 100% believe Putin wanted Harris to win from his statement.

While I don't follow Richard Spencer consistently, I did listen to his anti-Trump election opinions so that I could post clips of them to annoy Trump supporters on a different forum last month. They seemed perfectly well-thought-out and sincere. Apart from anything else he's certainly a Ukraine supporter and Trump wasn't posturing as a reliable Ukraine supporter. He clearly despises the proletarian, inchoate nature of Trumpism.

As for President Putin, of course he'd want Kamala to win. Why change things up when the frontline is moving in the correct direction?

[BING_XI_LAO]

It really is something that "nazis" are the concern with Trump, and not the people that actually fund his campaign and staff his cabinet - war-hawk Zionists who support Israel's use of ethnic cleansing as a strategy.

I guess it fits with concern about discriminating against blacks, when it's blacks whose bad behaviour has pushed everyone else around (including out of entire sections of multiple big cities, out of schools, out of public transport) for 60 years.

Or the concern with Russian aggression into areas inhabited by Russians, which were part of Imperial Russia and the USSR, not American aggression on a global scale against a grab-bag of countries with inane and erratic goals.

Or the concern with "letting trans people exist" when in reality a trans is a male or female whose existence has been attacked and reduced by surgical knives, liberal psychological abuse, and hormones.

Or the concern to "protect democracy" when the will of the electorate has very little relevance to policy decisions, which means it's already dead if it ever existed.

The liberal cries out in pain as he arms Ukrainian nazis, supports Israel's ethnic cleansing, does absolutely nothing about Azeri aggression to the point that it wasn't even mentioned, releases criminals from the jails, refuses to enforce order in the classroom, maintains global imperialist aggression, runs a Satanic mutilation cult, and openly suborns the democratic will.

[Japper007]

Your 'point' about the gender binary is some kind of dumb strawman. Of course different cultures exist, but they all reflect the same sex differences in different ways.

No they do not, not even our own has had the same view of gender roles. You don't have to look far back even, just look at 19th century France, vastly different attitudes to what was "male". In Voltaire's world, being a tea party attending, effete intellectual who read stuff and loved art that would be considered "goth girl chique" these days, was the manliest thing you could be. And even just looking back on the 60's, the views on gender division looks outdated now

[greenline]

The debate over gender is mostly a red herring. There are some conservatives grumbling because they are used to using gender as a synonym for sex. If you ask a conservative if masculinity and femininity - the obviously performative qualities of the sexes - have changed over time, they would most likely agree. The clothes men and women wear have changed a lot over the years. Ideas of and expectations of manhood have shifted. In the present we have very bourgeois tastes, in the past these roles were more influenced by chivalric norms, go even further back and you have pagan expectations that predated Christian ones.

What is a novel and ugly idea is that sex is just as malleable as performative roles are. Any man can pick up and wear a dress, but no man can change himself into a woman. Our modern medicine and surgical techniques are ultimately providing the best possible concealment, the best way a man can try and hide that he is a man and not a woman (and vice versa). If you ask in a private space, very few people will admit in their hearts that they believe this, yet due to enormous public pressure you have politicians saying that only a biologist can tell you what a man or a woman is, and if a biologist happens to say that a man is now a woman then they are correct.

[Charr Babies]

Some humor 
Especially if you know the original movies/characters

Episode 1,2

[Charr Babies]

Missed opportunity - Biden’s grant of clemency to Hunter included crimes that he still had a few hours to commit. As it turns out, he had a lot of options of what he could’ve gotten away with.





Not sure what all the fuss is about, isn't this just the norm!?

[Mjmd]

I understand the decision, but it was wrong. You can point out that his crimes are rarely brought to trial, but it doesn't matter. You can point out that a large portion of Trumps pardons were to people in his orbit, it doesn't matter. You can point out that Trump has promised / has pardoned worse. This is why Tuo Quo Queue is a thing. Yes you can point out equality argument, but something that is wrong is still wrong.

You can point out that Trump has promised political prosecution, that somewhat matters though. Its dangerous ground for sure. Its a damned if you do and damned if you don't kind of thing.

Also, @ Charr I thought we wouldn't hear from you if we didn't say anything, yet your last two posts weren't responding to anything. I WAS LIED TO!