PB80 Lurker thread - Screw tolerance level over 9000!!

[xist10]

Okay, yes, sorry.
I should have made a comparison to the "worst" case and then it would be right. Dammit.

[scooter]

FWIW I have felt for about a month now that Krill has no business being at war with Commodore and kingmaking like this. Krill's post explaining himself makes sense in like October, but not so much right now. I'd be pretty unhappy if I was Commodore, personally.

[Mousey]

Yeah Domination is not a viable path for Commodore in any reality. A cross-map naval invasion of a large continent, then waiting for the cities to come out of revolt and expand borders? Even a slow estimate for Thoth's spaceship beats that easily, assuming the invasion even goes smoothly (and of course it wouldn't, even without the lack of native air defence it'd be time consuming and Thoth is sure to make it even more difficult).

And the stuff regarding Commodore attacking Thoth is just bizarre; "if Commodore thinks that Thoth needs slowing down, he needs to do it himself. If Commodore thinks that he's lost from this position, well, that's on him."
As if keeping him at war, constantly expending resources on coastal scouting + defence, and threatening extra naval forces against any invasion fleet isn't going to raise the cost? Is he just meant to gamble and hope Krill doesn't truly intend to intervene? A very weak justification at this stage of the game, especially since in the same post he admits thinking Commodore's victory is slower.

[Jabah]

Until recently (or maybe still), the Victory Screen was not showing the proper 3rd city for CV. So I guess no one other than Commodore get any real idea of how competitive it would be.
Once Pool starts showing on the VS, the dynamic should change (or not, but at least the alliance should be more justified).

[scooter]

And the stuff regarding Commodore attacking Thoth is just bizarre; "if Commodore thinks that Thoth needs slowing down, he needs to do it himself. If Commodore thinks that he's lost from this position, well, that's on him."

Yeah that sentence alone was weird. Commodore is going to try to do exactly that, but you are intervening to make it harder! He seems stuck on the base case of "must stop Commodore" without considering that "must stop Thoth" is about equally real if not moreso at this point. I'm also not even sure he's improving his chances at all right now.

[Amicalola]

I can see the argument if he thinks Commodore will defeat Thoth too quickly without assistance for Krill to get his <1% chance at victory as they slow each other down. It's flimsy, but i think a genuine casus belli.

[thestick]

Looks like it'll be close. Thoth launches in 10 turns, Commodore's CV in ~20 turns, and I don't have the spaceship travel time formulas on hand.

[The Black Sword]

spaceship travel time formulas 

10t - so should be an interesting finale.

[Jabah]

I wonder if Commodore remembers that nuke can kill the GA (except giving a false hope, there is little to no reason not to use it now or at least as soon as Manhattan is built).
Since Thoth has no visibility on the city, it should be game (or has he any chance to raze after nuking any other 2?).

[xist10]

The chance for that is ~30% - and ~1% with nuke shelter in CtH ?
And I think, this could be something that got changes in the mod.