American Politics Discussion Thread

[Boro]

Putin claims Boris Johnson talked Ukraine out of peace deal.
[video=youtube]https://youtube.com/shorts/qIP3wF3zlKA?s...kucZbT4sEd[/video]
We can debate forever whether Putin or Johnson is telling the truth until everything is declassified. I would put my money on Putin.   

If you had a bit more common sense you'd have gone for David Arakhamia, Ukraine's chief negotiator during the Istambul talks

Then you'd have gone for Merkel and Hollande's admission that both Minsk 1 and Minsk 2 were delaying tactics, that neither they nor Ukraine intended to honor their commitments to give the special status to the breakaway regions, and it was all just to stockpile arms to forcibly retake the republics.

But instead you just wallow in hate for your homeland (which is disgusting) and subject everyone around you to it in periodic impotent outbursts.

[Charr Babies]

Not to respond to your mumble jumble but I really want to hear your answers to my 3 questions I kept asking. Please answer.

Condensed version of the conversation below:

Charr Babies: #4657
I am still waiting for your photos of concentration camps you promised that proves genocide in Tibet.

Mjmd: #4658

https://media.icij.org/uploads/2019/12/X...-1200w.jpg

Charr Babies: #4659
So, you have a photo of a prison. I assume you’ve posted the worst one you could find to make your point.  that's all you can come up with?  It shows a building with no activities. So what? How does that prove genocide? 

Mjmd: #4660
You realize there was also leaked Chinese documentation as well? (Xinjiang Papers is a good google search on) BUT ITS ALL FAKE!!!! SIGH.

Charr Babies: #4661
If it is all fake, it wouldn’t matter if you label it leaked. It doesn’t make the fakes more creditable to anyone capable of critical thought. It’s funny how you claim any source from China is not reliable, but use “leaked” or “sources from China” when it’s convenient.

Mjmd: #4664
But satellite imagery maybe you trust that? https://xjdp.aspi.org.au/map/ ? If you think they are faking that you can always buy your own satellite images although that is a bit costly for the average joe (couple K is my understanding).


Charr Babies: #4665
And WOW!!! A satellite photo of building proves genocide!? There are also satellite photo of these community housing claiming they see missile silos.


Let's just pretend those building in your photos are detention camps, how does it prove genocide?

Why are you so gullible?
How does a photo of a concentration camp in Tibet prove genocide in Tibet?
How does a a Satellite photo of buildings prove genocide in Xinjiang?

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[Boro]

you should really focus on the currently dying out native american languages instead, much more productive topic.

[Charr Babies]

Putin claims Boris Johnson talked Ukraine out of peace deal.
[video=youtube]https://youtube.com/shorts/qIP3wF3zlKA?s...kucZbT4sEd[/video]
We can debate forever whether Putin or Johnson is telling the truth until everything is declassified. I would put my money on Putin.   

If you had a bit more common sense you'd have gone for David Arakhamia, Ukraine's chief negotiator during the Istambul talks

Then you'd have gone for Merkel and Hollande's admission that both Minsk 1 and Minsk 2 were delaying tactics, that neither they nor Ukraine intended to honor their commitments to give the special status to the breakaway regions, and it was all just to stockpile arms to forcibly retake the republics.

But instead you just wallow in hate for your homeland (which is disgusting) and subject everyone around you to it in periodic impotent outbursts.

Ah, the other troll is still here

So speaks the one who boldly claims he knows politics who failed at any predictions, and surprised by (such a simple, pretty well expected thing) Biden's pardons     


The point is the ATTEMP a peace talk. Not about what they would agree on. 

[Mjmd]

I posted 1 of the photos. There are plenty more. You can look for yourself. That satellite picture is zoomable. That site has plenty of information if you choose to peruse. There are other sites with information. The leaked documents are pretty authentic by all counts. You just don't care. Does a high concentration of prisons (again you can zoom in and identify them AS prisons NOT just "buildings" MAYBE just MAYBE make you think that the state controlled media of China isn't telling the truth? If they are lying about not having concentration camps (against quite an easily proven lie as you can see them from space), maybe the propaganda they are feeding you about it not being a genocide is also false? If I provide "western biased reporting" you will dismiss it, but satellite imagery is quite harder to dismiss. Maybe that lends credence to other information and makes you question the "official" story. Again, SHOCKINGLY governments tend to not admit when they are doing a genocide. Do you believe the Turks because they've never admitted to the Armenian genocide?

Maybe don't call me gullible when you are willing to just dismiss accusations despite a large number of prisons because your "trusted" sources told you so. Before you respond COUNT THEM. Count the number of prisons. Don't respond until you have that number. WRITE IT DOWN. Then ask yourself, hmmmm maybe the Chinese government is up to something. You say you care about human suffering, but then look at these kind of photos and go "FAKE FAKE FAKE". And you wonder why I call you a hypocrite.

[Charr Babies]

you should really focus on the currently dying out native american languages instead, much more productive topic.

If you want to shoot the breeze, feel free to start your own thread.

Learn to be a better troll

[Charr Babies]

I posted 1 of the photos. There are plenty more. You can look for yourself. That satellite picture is zoomable. That site has plenty of information if you choose to peruse. There are other sites with information. The leaked documents are pretty authentic by all counts. You just don't care. Does a high concentration of prisons (again you can zoom in and identify them AS prisons NOT just "buildings" MAYBE just MAYBE make you think that the state controlled media of China isn't telling the truth? If they are lying about not having concentration camps (against quite an easily proven lie as you can see them from space), maybe the propaganda they are feeding you about it not being a genocide is also false? If I provide "western biased reporting" you will dismiss it, but satellite imagery is quite harder to dismiss. Maybe that lends credence to other information and makes you question the "official" story. Again, SHOCKINGLY governments tend to not admit when they are doing a genocide. Do you believe the Turks because they've never admitted to the Armenian genocide?
Maybe don't call me gullible when you are willing to just dismiss accusations despite a large number of prisons because your "trusted" sources told you so. Before you respond COUNT THEM. Count the number of prisons. Don't respond until you have that number. WRITE IT DOWN. Then ask yourself, hmmmm maybe the Chinese government is up to something. You say you care about human suffering, but then look at these kind of photos and go "FAKE FAKE FAKE". And you wonder why I call you a hypocrite.

Don't go off on a tangent on 3 simple questions. Okay I will let you skip the first one since soul searching is not an easy thing for some people.

I mean you used these photos to prove genocide so you must know already. The burden of prove is on you to prove your wild assertions (like your funky formula)

Just answer the 2:
How does a photo of a concentration camp in Tibet prove genocide in Tibet?
What I am hearing - because there are many concentration camps in Tibet such as the camp photo above, it must be genocide

How does a a Satellite photo of buildings prove genocide in Xinjiang?
What I am hearing - because there are tons and tons of concentration camps in Xixjiang, it must be genocide

they still dont answer the questions

How does a photo of a concentration camp in Tibet prove genocide in Tibet?
How does a a Satellite photo of (a massive amount of) concentration camps  prove genocide in Xinjiang?
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[Mjmd]

I never claimed genocide in Tibet. Repression yes. Suffering yes. People disappearing, yes. Odd and hypocritical in your signature, yes.

You keep calling it a "building". If you aren't willing to admit that a satellite image that is clearly a prison is a prison, there is no proof you will accept. That is why this is pointless. Journalists who risked their lives. Actual people who have escaped. Leaked official documents. None of it will matter to you. Its a pointless waste of my time. I've given you some sites with good info and terms to look up IF YOU CARE. You don't, lets be clear, but I've tried.

Count them, post the number, and then think what you would say if America had that number of "re-education camps" clustered in oh say a Native American area. Knowing "America bad" you would reach the conclusion that maybe America isn't telling you the truth about them. But because you are blinded to China, you won't make the same conclusion there. You not being willing to count the extremely high number of prisons in a concentrated ethnic area, might just might make you do some self reflection. I mean it won't. I know you well enough by now. Have your last word as usual, but your signature as always is disgustingly hypocritical.

[Charr Babies]

I never claimed genocide in Tibet. Repression yes. Suffering yes. People disappearing, yes. Odd and hypocritical in your signature, yes.

You keep calling it a "building". If you aren't willing to admit that a satellite image that is clearly a prison is a prison, there is no proof you will accept. That is why this is pointless. Journalists who risked their lives. Actual people who have escaped. Leaked official documents. None of it will matter to you. Its a pointless waste of my time. I've given you some sites with good info and terms to look up IF YOU CARE. You don't, lets be clear, but I've tried.

Count them, post the number, and then think what you would say if America had that number of "re-education camps" clustered in oh say a Native American area. Knowing "America bad" you would reach the conclusion that maybe America isn't telling you the truth about them. But because you are blinded to China, you won't make the same conclusion there. You not being willing to count the extremely high number of prisons in a concentrated ethnic area, might just might make you do some self reflection. I mean it won't. I know you well enough by now. Have your last word as usual, but your signature as always is disgustingly hypocritical.

Yada yada the sky is blue and roses are not all red...

And again, my signature is a reminder of me laughing at people like you who couldn't point Tibet out on a map if I red circle it. Not a defense if shit happen there or not. A little critical thinking please!

Hehe. I am not going to call out your logical fallacy but funny how you dismiss my comments or Biden because I am pro Trump, and now because I am pro China. But never mind. Don't go off on a tangent...

So the photo of the outside of a concentration/reeducation camp in Tibet, without activities, represents the many in Tibet. 

By your logic: a photo of Alcatraz, or the +30 Japanese internment camps between US and Canada (just an example) would be Repression, Suffering, and People disappearing.

If you can agree to the logical deduction from your reasoning, then I will let you off the hook on this one.
 
How does a a Satellite photo of (a MASSIVE amount of (I counted, 2001 of them) ) concentration camps  prove genocide in Xinjiang?

The burden of proof is on you. I mean you used these photos to prove genocide so you must know already. It should be easy to explain, at least easier than the thousand words you have already typed to avoid answering.  

How does a a Satellite photo of (a massive amount of (I counted, 2001 of them) ) concentration camps  prove genocide in Xinjiang?


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[greenline]

The Dalai Lama (I think) says there is a genocide going on in Tibet, and with the Ughyurs as well. Why? China uses the military and the police to suppress their culture, and makes it easy for Han Chinese to move in in large numbers, take control of the businesses and natural resources, get pushy with the natives, get preferential treatment, and so on. Is that a genocide? If so, is what's happening in other countries that's very similar a genocide? Few will have consistent opinions on such topics.