[SPOILERS] Athlete and Lewwyn are SHAKA OF THE VIKINGS

[athlete4life10]

Calling all lurkers...please help!

Here's the situation.

I open up T72 and I have 39/100 in my settler, 31/32 in my food box. I triple whip down to size 3 and work the Deer, Crabs and Sheep. I now have 31/26 in the food box and 129/100 in my settler with +10 food and +3 Hammers. My understanding is that should all get converted into hammers for the settler so my overflow should be 29 + 13 = 42.

I hit End Turn and the settler completes, I'm at size 4 with 18/28 in the food box (this is correct) but I only have 40 overflow. This is critical for me because at size 4 if I work the Crabs, Deer, Sheep and Cottage I grow but I don't complete my Monastery next turn (I'm one hammer short). I don't have any more 2 food tiles that also have atleast 1 hammer so I need this to work properly.

Anybody have any ideas why? I can probably get a save uploaded if anybody wants to check it out.

[athlete4life10]

Actually I think I remember this one. After typing that all out and thinking about it for the last hour I realized T-Hawk, Maniac, Ref-Steel (and others?) worked this out in PB3. My growth to size 4 happens before my +10 food and +3 hammers are applied so I actually only get +8 food and +3 hammers due to needing two more food to feed the citizen.

[Twinkletoes89]

EDIT: Beat me to it! Ah well, +1 for the post count at least!

[athlete4life10]

Ok so that has to be it. As such I played my turn and after triple whipping I worked the Deer, Clams and Copper. This gets me +6 food and +8 hammers for a total of 14. After -2 for the growth to size 4 I still have enough to complete the monastery (though I don't have the 1 overflow as I initially thought I would) and grow to size 5 on T73.

[athlete4life10]

An update on other worker actions:

John A. MacKenzie and Wilfred Laurier are quarrying the marble at Fredricton (which is now due to grow in 2). So as soon as it hits size 2 it will work a farm and the quarry. Alexander MacKenzie moved to the forest SW of the farm and will chop that into the monastery. Pierre Trudeau borded the galley and will hop off next turn into the forest that is SE of the marble and chop that so I should have a 2nd monastery by T76 I believe. Fredricton will then grow asap while building a missionary (which probably won't complete) before starting a settler at max size.

Charlottetown upon completion of the monastery next turn will build a missionary, possibly two before starting on The Oracle. I will work out details of that a bit later.

Halifax is on to a workboat due in 2, and will probably start another but switch to a worker the moment it hits size 3.

[athlete4life10]

The first of any real diplomacy from anybody:

Seven to me:

Hey Athlete, we've just met in game! My galley landed some troops and razed a poorly protected city. This means war!!


Yeah, just kidding. My scout found your scout in the jungle and said hi. How has your game been? In the first few turns I tried tracking demographics a bit since there was nothing else to do, and I think you had to emergency whip a warrior to defend against barbs. Is that right? That was approximately the moment when I realized that I was actually quite happy that I didn't start with hunting after all. I hope things have been going well for you since then.


I myself am recovering from early-game silliness but in my case it's completely my fault. I thought that the mainland would be hard to settle due to barbs, so I built the great lighthouse before even making a single settler. (And yeah, I knew it wouldn't have ANY EFFECT AT ALL until I got at least a third city.) Joke's on me, and the barbs on the mainland are all tied up defending their own cities! Plus, ANY other wonder would have been better because there's stone and marble nearby. Doh.


Have you met Jowy yet too? He seems to have been on the ball with workboat scouting, and ran into me maybe a dozen turns ago.


If you like, I'm happy to agree to a 5-turn-warning-before-declaring-war treaty, to prevent any opportunistic mishaps like my Axe killing your Scout or either of us razing the other's empty city. I mean, I don't plan on doing anything like that anyway, but warm fuzzy feelings of security are good for both of us, particularly when there are barbs around anyway. What do you think?


SevenSpirits

And my response:

Hey Seven,

Well met!

This game has been difficult which you've seen. Starting with Hunting has really set me back. In a regular game I'd have been fine but with a barb city on my doorstep It forced me to do something which really truly has put me back of the pace. It would appear everybody is competent enough that this slight gap is only going to grow larger unfortunately. I've also been under attack from barbs on an almost turn by turn basis forcing slower growth and different builds than I might otherwise choose. It's not such a terrible thing that you were a bit slower to the island!

I have met Jowy. In fact I just needed you to complete the set so now I have met everybody! Nakor should be to your Axe's west, perhaps slightly south as well I can't remember. And Babylon is to your NW. I am to your NE and Jowy I believe to your S. All directions are in relation to your Axe. I expect your actual territory to be S of mine, and Jowy to be W or SW fo yours with Nakor and then The Reverend rounding out the circle. That should give you a good enough idea about the map to get you caught up to snuff with everybody else.

Regarding your NAP proposal at this particular point in time I'm going to refuse. You are the only one to have asked me for one yet so don't feel threatened by Rick Hansen wheeling through the jungle. I just haven't decided if I'm going to be bothered with them at all. As has been apparent in previous games I not only suck at diplomacy I hate it so the less I have to deal with it the better. As the game develops and communication continues I may be open to putting something in writing that secures a friendship with somebody. For now I just want to be open and hope others are with me.

All the best,

Athlete
Shaka Of The Vikings

[T-hawk]

Actually I think I remember this one. After typing that all out and thinking about it for the last hour I realized T-Hawk, Maniac, Ref-Steel (and others?) worked this out in PB3. My growth to size 4 happens before my +10 food and +3 hammers are applied so I actually only get +8 food and +3 hammers due to needing two more food to feed the citizen.

Pretty sure you're right, that this is the same case as the Friendly Kittens ran into. The newly-grown population is assigned to no productive slot (no tile or specialist slot, even a citizen) until later, so he consumes 2 food-to-hammers when the settler production is calculated but produces nothing himself. The city screen does not correctly account for this case, so it ends up lying about your total production for the turn when a city will grow while building a settler or worker. Such a city will always lose that 2 extra food-to-hammers.

[athlete4life10]

Seven to me:

OK, no worries about the NAP. I can understand that position. Though if no one else asked you for one, maybe that means everyone else wants to attack you, hehe.


By the way, I see you're the one who founded Buddhism. Congrats, and thanks! As you may have noticed, I founded Hinduism about two turns after you got Buddhism. If we'd both gone for the same one, I think one of us would have missed it by a turn (and thus wasted a bunch of time), probably me. It's cool that we sort of coordinated even without having met each other.


Good luck vs the barbs and cheers!


Seven

It's EOT74 and I revolted to Buddhism.

[athlete4life10]

I officially hate civ because of this game!

OK maybe not quite hate but still...if we were going to have such a non-typical start I really should have been given a warrior to start with. Ever since I had to whip a warrior from scratch I've been dead last or close enough to dead last in anything that matters and that gap only seems to be widening. Now it may just be the way that I'm playing the game but I'm pretty confident in saying nobody has experienced any real type of barbarian threat apart from myself which I've documented pretty well.

I lost the barb city to The Reverend and The Oracle to SevenSpirits though I'll admit The Oracle was a bit of a pipe dream trying to get to Machinery. I'm pretty happy that I'm going to Metal Casting the slow way anyways. I'll have a gold hooked up soon and I believe I'll whip a forge in Halifax asap and run an engineer. I'll research my way up to CS and use the engineer for machinery.

I hope I can beat The Rev to the gems spot west of Fredricton so who knows. This game isn't over yet it's just going to be a slogfest going uphill in wintertime, that's all.

[athlete4life10]

To Jowy:

Hey Jowy,

I'm sticking to the bottom of the tree at the moment. I'm currently on Metal Casting before I head to writing. Congrats on Monarchy! I must say I'm quite impressed with how you've done so far. It's a shame you're not keeping a good thread, I'd be very interested to see how you've managed to perform so well. Anyways I've been thinking quite a bit about the future of the game for a couple of days now and I think it's shaping out that you and I need to stick together for atleast the short to medium term. With SevenSpirits getting The Oracle and grabbing Feudalism that makes sure he sticks around for a long time. So we keep friendly with him while we both (attempt) to conquer in the other direction. If we're still happy with how things go at that point we both take Seven out and have a duel. There's some daydreaming in there but with both of us being aggressive I think atleast the initial part makes some sense. What do you think?

Athlete
Shaka The Viking King