Wizard changes: Picks & retorts

[Catwalk]

And I think randomness makes people restart If someone wants a random hero they should have that option, possibly with a Random button.

[WhiteMage]

Making more options in the game is good. Making game repetitive is bad. If player can choose, they will tend to choose the same over and over again and the story will repeat.

[Catwalk]

They will only choose the same hero over and over if we do a poor job of balancing them. Otherwise, all heroes would be useful for one strategy or another.

[kyrub]

If we make 0-fame heroes with random skills (which I hope we do), the people will restart with hero of their choice to get him the best combination (it will encourage them even more). Restarting is a horrible habit.

Either abandon the idea completely, or make starting heroes totally random. This, alongside with different starting locations, with different customization process, will make it hard to hit the right combo. It will push off players from restarting. Maybe.

[Catwalk]

If someone wants to reload until his favourite hero gets the perfect skill, he's no less likely to reload until he gets his favourite hero. Famous is a crap ability as is, what's wrong with giving people a starting hero of their choice once we've balanced the early heroes? And yes, I still think 0 fame heroes should have no random abilities. Not just for balance reasons but also to keep making the game more interesting as events unfold. When you're starting out, any hero is cool because it's a hero. Then you get cooler heroes, and they start having a bunch of random abilities to boot. Don't unlock too much of the game too soon. MoM already does a good job of this, and it's one thing I've really appreciated about it.

[Vagabond]

I'd prefer random heroes too. Sure, some folks will restart over and over again, but eh. For the rest it'll mean an interesting variable they'll want to adapt to, instead of playing the same patterns.

[Catwalk]

Then how about making people go with a random starting race too? :neenernee

[Vagabond]

Amusing, but integrating race and spells/abilities is an extremely interesting part of MoM setup. Integrating spells/abilities and Dervish or Sage is, imo, not.

[kyrub]

I think we're stuck in a detail here.

There can be an option, random, non-random. If it's bad idea, we'll change it in 3.0 (or 4.0). With ILSe's tweaker around the corner, maybe even the discussion about reloading does not make any sense. Whoever wants a change will make it for himself with few clicks.

In any case, I cannot do this lot (new interface...) - there's a work for ILSe.

[WhiteMage]

If my random start algorithm could be implemented into Catnip that would be great (see my other post pseudo-code already there). Everything should be allowed to be random, not only the hero and the race. I don’t mind setting it up for myself for every game, but I think many players would prefer clicking the random button after getting bored of the n’th repeat game they won with same strategy.