moving up a notch

[moaz]

i am finally ready to move onto prince i need some advice some things i know: 1;if it takes you 15 turns to build both a worker and a warrior then build the worker don't try this with raging barbs2;don't exceed the happiness cap.in a game with all aggressive civilizations try to make a big old love fest3;build heroic epic and westpoint in the same city.don't bring a sword to a gunfight

[darrelljs]

1. Always build Worker first at Prince. Be sure to research a tech that will make the Worker useful.

2. Try to make sure every fourth or so build is a Settler. At first, don't build any bulidings other than Granaries (and Monuments in new cities if not Creative). Get used to expandiing aggressively.

3. Plan city locations around special resources. Focus Worker actions and tech path on those resources, then on getting cottages down for cities without hills, and farms/mines down on cities with hills. Try to have two Workers per city until about 4-5 cities, then draw down to 1.5 Workers per city. Remember a city without a 4+ food surplus will grow very slowly!

4. Never build Westpoint, especially in your Heroic Epic city (even with Stone). Once you have the Heroic Epic, only build units in that city. The one expception might be buildings to lift the health/happy cap, iff they let you get more mines online.

Darrell

[moaz]

1. Always build Worker first at Prince. Be sure to research a tech that will make the Worker useful.

2. Try to make sure every fourth or so build is a Settler. At first, don't build any bulidings other than Granaries (and Monuments in new cities if not Creative). Get used to expandiing aggressively.

3. Plan city locations around special resources. Focus Worker actions and tech path on those resources, then on getting cottages down for cities without hills, and farms/mines down on cities with hills. Try to have two Workers per city until about 4-5 cities, then draw down to 1.5 Workers per city. Remember a city without a 4+ food surplus will grow very slowly!

4. Never build Westpoint, especially in your Heroic Epic city (even with Stone). Once you have the Heroic Epic, only build units in that city. The one expception might be buildings to lift the health/happy cap, iff they let you get more mines online.

Darrell

[moaz]

why not build west point in the heroic epic citymilitary unit will be produced quickly and with a barracks and some civics have enough experience for 3 promotions so why not?:huh sorry for double post forgot the rules

[Cyneheard]

Here's why WP shouldn't be built in an HE city (math done at normal speed, scales properly at all speeds):
Let's assume you've got Forge, OR, and stone. This is the best situation possible. So +150% production on WP.
This means that WP's 800 hammer cost is 320 base hammers.

Those same 320 base hammers could be used for +125% unit production. This gives you 720 hammers worth of units.

So my choice is West Point, or at least 6 cannons and 1 cavalry. West Point's 4XP might make all future units worth 20% more, at most. So West Point won't pay for itself until you've built another 30-40 units. That's a really long time to merely break even on the National Wonder. If you have a GE to burn, then maybe build West Point in your HE city, or build another National Wonder or World Wonder.
If you don't have stone, it's an even worse trade to slow-build WP: with just a forge, and no OR, West Point costs you 12 cannons and 2 cavalry. There's no way that's worth it.

[moaz]

ok! now i understand=)