Opening post.
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[SPOILERS] TheArchduke and the Dutch plunder and pillage
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Thanks for the dedlurker.
Yeah, Scotland is interesting, but with so many naval UUs we need the Seven Provinces Ship I guess. Greece is a good fallback as well. But it is Pericles. Ugh. I will do a fancier report so this thread is worth reading when I am back.
My guesses on enemies.
Brazil Indonesia (although personally I would take Japan! Much stronger, Japper will go for the fancy new civ though) Germany (Solid choice and Germany is excellent for a map which discourages rushing, Uboats will come too late) England (cheaper harbours.)
June 7th, 2018, 07:56
(This post was last modified: June 7th, 2018, 07:57 by TheArchduke.)
I like the draft picks. I think on a watermap especially we would have a lot of first dibs on England, Japan and whatnot. A bit outside of the comfort zone is always good.
I will delve a bit more into my civ choice for this game now that I am back at my home pc. Quote:The Archduke The Netherlands, Aztec, Sumeria, Georgia, Pericles, Scotland The Aztecs, whilst an impressive choice on any non-water oriented map will not make the cut. Those EWs are only impressive if you can terrorise neighbours or CS with them and from PBEM #4 experience, you will likely only have one CS by home island of a player and that one should be conquered as soon as possible if it is not an insanely good CS and then maybe still. Sumeria is just a worse choice then the Aztecs really. I think warcarts are only dangerous to the inexperienced opponent and nothing you can wage a serious early war with. Well not if the other players know what they are doing. With a Sumeria on a Pangea you are forced into earlier military builds. On Sea? Meh. Georgia is just meh in general. Nothing sticks out whatsoever. The golden age chain bonus is okish, I guess. Although dark age -> heroic age makes more sense then a cascade of golden ages (which in SP is trivial to achieve). There is a point to be made without huts and with Islands in general that a dark age is easier to do anyway. And those bonuses are nothing to be sniffed at. Especially the excellent monasticism. Pericles. The poor man´s Greece. Take Gorgo over him any day of the week. Greece is a solid choice in general, the envoys ensuring a lock on a good CS. Spoiler PBEM #10 check So the real choice here is Scotland or the Netherlands. (I put down The Netherlands)
June 7th, 2018, 09:27
(This post was last modified: June 8th, 2018, 08:31 by TheArchduke.)
My playtests or games in SP have shown to me that Scotland is SCARY. It would have been a lock for me to play in PBEM #8 if I would have drafted it.
Why is that. First off you can declare a War of Liberation. This is actually a useful trait as there is no clear upside to an Always War Dow that Persia, Australia or Chandragupta´s India invite. If you are the target of a War of Liberation you have to see it coming. So this could actually see some use, but is highly situational and nothing to rely upon. The Highlander although strong on paper is an upgrade to the scout of all things. A Ranger class unit you do not have the excellent promotions of War Cry or Tortoise available which shine in any player vs player war. Whilst the idea of a mass cheap scout build upgraded to a Range appeals to me that is something I would have tried on dry land. (Once again blame the PBEM #8 draft for not seeing a Highlander attack on another player) No the strength here lies in +1 and freaking +2 GS (which really push your science ahead) and the same bonus on GE that happy and ecstatic cities get. This is a really strong bonus. Divine Spark pushes that so your ecstatic cities produce +4 Great Scientists points which is insane!  In any case, you basically lock down the game´s GS for your civ, with the GEs as a quiet but nice bonus by going with fewer cities that you can keep happy, making entertainment districts, the Temple of Artemis and the Collosseum much more worth it. And not overexpanding. Complemented by the golf course, which unlocks not too late in the game to matter. Given that I have played aggressively enough, Scotland would be a lockin on a land-based map. But we are playing islands which means, let´s check out The trade bonus is neglible, ignore it. Any decent culture pantheon does 10-15 culture. The 1 culture is miniscule, the loyalty basically useless. The river bonus for the districts. Difficult on a waterbased map, but still, 1-2 rivers should be findable. Easier on landbased map or a designed inland sea. With 1 mountain the campus easily can do +3 or +4 in otherwise bad campus places. The Polder enables more housing on mediocre seaside cities, although Indonesia can do it better. The harbor bomb will get 2-3 tiles at the most as you want it next to a city center. The true strength lies in the Zeven Provincien. I will need a naval UU against those Sea Dogs and Jongs which are sure to come my way in this game. It is a monster of a unit with a bonus against cities and afaik no penalties (which were there on release, or weren´t they?) Units will defend districts, cities are on the sea, so this bonus will see action. Scotland would be the better choice economically, but this game will see GAdmiral powered Sea Dogs, Jongs (or which would be more prudent, Divine Wind ships). I wish I had drafted Japan incidentally.
Kinda worried that I do not have enough rivers to let The Netherlands shine. Rechecked PBEM 4 and there were 3 good river sites and that is it.
Scotland on the other hand is not that dependant on that working out too much. My testgame with both has me worried. Really on the fence here atm. |
; played in Civ VI PBEM 4, 5, 15; DL suboptimal Civ VI PBEM 17