(August 11th, 2015, 15:57)Fintourist Wrote:(August 11th, 2015, 15:31)Krill Wrote: I think it's unreasonable to objectively complain about a GA sale due to the turn it occurred. I think that given BGN tried to buy Plakos great people and Plako failed to sell them around the same time, it's disingenuous to say that Joeys sale alone was an issue given just how widespread those sales seemed to be amongst the leaders.
The thing is that we have no visibility of other illegal/shady deals so that we can't object until after the game. Someone should have told us too that following the rules isn't a requirement...
Yet the lurkers didn't think so, and you know just how much we rely on lurkers to police actions that may be questionable. It's how these games work because we aren't able to have full time referees/admins, and it's not like when we have had admins that's worked any better.
Quote:And yeah reg your previous point: Rule set makes it legal to gift as many artists and gold and units as one pleases. Personally I just find it pathetic behavior to from a non-contender to decide a winner because he prefers another contender over another (and in this case most likely due to a map that he is not satisfied with).
Gift and sale are different, but I can't see how retroactively saying that selling an artist is wrong, and doesn't matter what turn it is sold. Yes, someone is going to lose. The value of the win or loss in a game of civ is in the game that was played and the choices made.
Quote:Let's say that we both play PB27 and it has same rules as this game. We haven't really had contact in the game, I've screwed up my game, but you are competing neck to neck against player X. Then I remember that you have annoyed me in some thread and decide to send all my gold, units, great persons and whatever to player X (maybe I get horses in return because my funny alternative objective is to have as many horse resources as possible) and you lose. In my books that's not appropriate behavior, bad sportsmanship and in reality I would not do it.
Demonizing Joey, or anyone on the forum, doesn't help your case. If you sell a resource, you sell it to the highest bidder, even if the bidding process is when two people fight and you see whom you can take the most land off, or whom gives you the most gold for a great person.
Quote:The above is not much of an exaggeration compared to GJ's artist sale - you can't really gift anything more valuable than a victory. The fact that TBS wanted to win with the help of that artist is disappointing, but it's easy to understand that the temptation is high.
Boldly tried to buy great people off Plako. He just wouldn't sell them. Can't be bad for one and not another. I'm in the camp that you lost fair and square, even if you did play such a brutal, efficient game.