Turn 116
Turns out I was overly paranoid. Gav just turned around and started scouting with a chariot (note: not difficult for him to be a pain in the arse, and it would be a rational decision at this point for him to do that after I've rejected his offer for OB and resource trades given in game position).
My scouting showed nothing, so I'll screenshot next turn. superjm is ripping the tech tree apart, but he just screwed himself IMO: I don't have to worry about an Astro bulb from him, so he isn't a threat. He has to research Astro now, or try for an invasion with galleys and privateers. His capital is also naff, so I'm not seeing why he would use Bureau at high cost when he could get Fuedalism for Vassalage and reduced unit costs and PRO longbows? Seems like a poor decision to me.
Lewwyn has not barbbusted his island, and there are city ruins I've sailed past. They could be barb cities, but...he has no competition for these cities? Why wouldn't he capture them. And he has potentially lost one city to a barb attack in the past. Is he getting overrun?
I'm hopeful of find a path through here, but not expecting it. I will back track if I don't find one next turn.
We have a broken donut for a map. There are multiple places that individual players can route their own units through, but I don't have that. I have a route through 3S and MtK to get ships in and out of the western ocean and in and out of a bay shared with OH, but not directly into the donut ocean. In fact, there is that one tile straight that it looks like OH will control with the top of Cairo's continent, I can cut the edge off with 2 forts on plains tiles. I'm going to have to scout out OT4E's land. I'm not convinced I'm ahead of him in any meaningful measure except city number (and not in population)
superjm has CS, and CoL as a minimum over me. I don't know if he has Calendar: He has spices and incense at a minimum, but he also has gems, gold and ivory, plus Rep happy, and forges in all his core cities (...why has he rushed them? He has OR though, and no cheap buildings so it makes sense IMO, if he is planning to build his way into the Ren era).
The next is just a stream of consciousness: I will have a full and final update on Sunday, but I'm trying to sort out plans for when I write that.
The settler is going to the City F site. Galley is whipped in WB on T118 and moves into SW. The settler is whipped from AM on T118 and loads into the galley on T120, to head for the marble location to claim that island. The archer from MtK is going over there as city defender. The galley will have to return for a worker pair. The city is just a cost but Lewwyn is claiming islands so I want a sign to say "This far, and no further". ITM is growing on a forge, Kalamazoo grows to size 9 and then starves (drop grass farm, pick up double plains hill mine). LBJ has the market chopped and then starts on the forge (happy more than hammers). BCR finishes the forge and then I decide between military for a bit or wealth, and how to fit in that settler build. Probably straight onto the settler build and stagnate, there are no workers there atm, and no tiles to grow onto.
ST builds market, but farm the fp to grow to size 5-6 and whip the market. Then stagnate of the plains hill to delay growth? Whipping is better though, and happy isn't problem if I'm keeping it small due to costs. SA is growing for great person plan, double whip the lighthouse and I will need to whip a library if only because without culture, it will lose the three coastal tiles in a few turns with FaL pops 40% borders.
SA has forge chopped this turn, then onto the settler and whip that T118, then regrow. Don't want to mine any of the hills, going to windmill them, so save the worker turns. NW, still planning to whip into the ground, but intend for 2 settlers for Cities Q and S. Workers are all fucked though. I need to reposition them all, more like mack, you get that pleasure.
The worker at HWD, and two workers from MtK will chop 3 forests for a library (need to do this to hold the clam. whip a work boat from HWD at size 2 (it's a crap city, who cares if it gets delayed). Then City F will pop borders, hook the plains cow and the rest is standard. 3S is building a forge because going for broke and I don't like paying for units. TX just whipped a lighthouse so it can grow without the food resource, then back to wealth?
In a couple of turns, ST will work both gems again, and I will work both furs tiles (not working either atm) and that is 20 extra commerce. Even now, commerce specials are the difference between being broke and researching.
34 food down on Gav, only 4 pop growths this turn though.
Turns out I was overly paranoid. Gav just turned around and started scouting with a chariot (note: not difficult for him to be a pain in the arse, and it would be a rational decision at this point for him to do that after I've rejected his offer for OB and resource trades given in game position).
My scouting showed nothing, so I'll screenshot next turn. superjm is ripping the tech tree apart, but he just screwed himself IMO: I don't have to worry about an Astro bulb from him, so he isn't a threat. He has to research Astro now, or try for an invasion with galleys and privateers. His capital is also naff, so I'm not seeing why he would use Bureau at high cost when he could get Fuedalism for Vassalage and reduced unit costs and PRO longbows? Seems like a poor decision to me.
Lewwyn has not barbbusted his island, and there are city ruins I've sailed past. They could be barb cities, but...he has no competition for these cities? Why wouldn't he capture them. And he has potentially lost one city to a barb attack in the past. Is he getting overrun?
I'm hopeful of find a path through here, but not expecting it. I will back track if I don't find one next turn.
We have a broken donut for a map. There are multiple places that individual players can route their own units through, but I don't have that. I have a route through 3S and MtK to get ships in and out of the western ocean and in and out of a bay shared with OH, but not directly into the donut ocean. In fact, there is that one tile straight that it looks like OH will control with the top of Cairo's continent, I can cut the edge off with 2 forts on plains tiles. I'm going to have to scout out OT4E's land. I'm not convinced I'm ahead of him in any meaningful measure except city number (and not in population)
superjm has CS, and CoL as a minimum over me. I don't know if he has Calendar: He has spices and incense at a minimum, but he also has gems, gold and ivory, plus Rep happy, and forges in all his core cities (...why has he rushed them? He has OR though, and no cheap buildings so it makes sense IMO, if he is planning to build his way into the Ren era).
The next is just a stream of consciousness: I will have a full and final update on Sunday, but I'm trying to sort out plans for when I write that.
The settler is going to the City F site. Galley is whipped in WB on T118 and moves into SW. The settler is whipped from AM on T118 and loads into the galley on T120, to head for the marble location to claim that island. The archer from MtK is going over there as city defender. The galley will have to return for a worker pair. The city is just a cost but Lewwyn is claiming islands so I want a sign to say "This far, and no further". ITM is growing on a forge, Kalamazoo grows to size 9 and then starves (drop grass farm, pick up double plains hill mine). LBJ has the market chopped and then starts on the forge (happy more than hammers). BCR finishes the forge and then I decide between military for a bit or wealth, and how to fit in that settler build. Probably straight onto the settler build and stagnate, there are no workers there atm, and no tiles to grow onto.
ST builds market, but farm the fp to grow to size 5-6 and whip the market. Then stagnate of the plains hill to delay growth? Whipping is better though, and happy isn't problem if I'm keeping it small due to costs. SA is growing for great person plan, double whip the lighthouse and I will need to whip a library if only because without culture, it will lose the three coastal tiles in a few turns with FaL pops 40% borders.
SA has forge chopped this turn, then onto the settler and whip that T118, then regrow. Don't want to mine any of the hills, going to windmill them, so save the worker turns. NW, still planning to whip into the ground, but intend for 2 settlers for Cities Q and S. Workers are all fucked though. I need to reposition them all, more like mack, you get that pleasure.
The worker at HWD, and two workers from MtK will chop 3 forests for a library (need to do this to hold the clam. whip a work boat from HWD at size 2 (it's a crap city, who cares if it gets delayed). Then City F will pop borders, hook the plains cow and the rest is standard. 3S is building a forge because going for broke and I don't like paying for units. TX just whipped a lighthouse so it can grow without the food resource, then back to wealth?
In a couple of turns, ST will work both gems again, and I will work both furs tiles (not working either atm) and that is 20 extra commerce. Even now, commerce specials are the difference between being broke and researching.
34 food down on Gav, only 4 pop growths this turn though.