Do they know that we know that they know that we know that they know ...?

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News from these two turns is that Menagerie have researched Bronze Working (+8k soldiers, +6 points) and built a Warrior (+2k soldiers for a total of +10k).

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Thoughts based on what Gillette told us, written down so I've got them for future reference:

TEAM and Gillette hadn't met before T26 (according to Gillette), so my speculations about how some team had a GNP of 24 back on T13 can't be true. Recap: I thought TEAM had met both Gillette & Pirates then to get 1 extra beaker/turn while researching AH.

That doesn't affect my conclusions as to what techs TEAM have now, although perhaps the order they researched them in was different - basically they've researched 3 techs, all of which were 2k soldiers. There are only three techs these can be (Hunting, Mining, AH) because to research the other 2k ancient era tech (Sailing) they'd've had to research Fishing first (and they haven't got a no-soldiers tech). (Edit: Or they built a warrior to coincide with one of the techs, so have some totally different techs. *sigh*)

Worth keeping in mind that I'm finding TEAM hardest to figure out what they're doing & I've wondered if they're tile-switching etc to hide info from C&D depts. This'd fit with killing a scout to prevent Gillette from scouting, it could be all part of an attitude of it being Very Important to prevent anyone knowing for sure what's going on in TEAM's land.

Also worth keeping in mind that Gillette stand to gain by poisoning relations between us & TEAM before we meet TEAM, and we only have second hand info for what actually happened!

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Menagerie grew their capital to size 3.

[darrelljs]

Also worth keeping in mind that Gillette stand to gain by poisoning relations between us & TEAM before we meet TEAM, and we only have second hand info for what actually happened!

I've seen this mentioned a couple of times...perhaps I'm naive but I look at Gillette's roster and I don't see them lying about the events. I look at TEAM's roster and I see a bunch of Scout killing bastards. So I'm inclined to believe Gillette's narrative .

Darrell

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I've seen this mentioned a couple of times...perhaps I'm naive but I look at Gillette's roster and I don't see them lying about the events. I look at TEAM's roster and I see a bunch of Scout killing bastards. So I'm inclined to believe Gillette's narrative .

Darrell

Yeah, I'm inclined to agree with you.

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News of the turn is that Gillette got a tech. It's a no soldier points one, and I think the most plausible tech is Pottery. Other possibilities are Mysticism and Agriculture, but gut feel is it's Pottery both because it's 9 turns since their last tech & I think their GNP is high enough to get Agri quicker, and because The Wheel was their last tech so Pottery makes sense as the next one.

If the game un-pauses then C&D will still be slow over the next week - I will once again have net but not much PC access and the thought of trying to fill in a spreadsheet on my phone is not a pleasant one

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Were there any changes to the demos coz Pirates actually played T28?

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I'm kinda busy at the moment, so just snatching a moment to do the C&D & hopefully the rush hasn't affected the thinking

I believe Pirates got Bronze Working this turn (6 points, 8k soldiers).

And I think Menagerie built another Warrior (2k soldiers) ... which makes for 4 Warriors, which I find surprising, an anti-farmer's gambit. Combined with the tech thread being full of them complaining about not having someone to do diplo & I'm glad we don't border them I'll have to go back over the numbers again at some point when I'm less busy - but it's what made sense at every step of the way, the conclusion just strikes me as odd.

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[strike]The visible-to-us change in Menagerie's T30 is that their capital didn't grow this time round.[/strike] Looks like I misread Civstats, they hadn't finished their turn last night & have now. Note to self, don't drink & C&D

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News of the turn is that Menagerie grew their capital to size 4.