WW25 - Game Thread

[Jowy]

Congrats Lewwyn!

Jowy: Lewwyn isn't cleared because he coudl have been a wolf that used some other ability on night 2 that isn't killling. Also I'm not alignment linked to brick. I believe the flavour that he is gunmaker's apprentice is true, but also that he's playing against the village. Because village gaining 2 kills from the lowered sanity just doesn't make much sense.

I've read the claim and I still think we should lynch Gazglum due to pind's block result. To be honest I don't think he could have claimed anything that would change my opinion on this. Wolves by now have enough information to construct a plausible sounding claim. And it's just too much of a coincidence that Gaz, who was scummy anyway, was blocked and a night kill was prevented.

i have hard time believe that "gunmaker's apprentice" is wolf ability. villager, sure. villager who go crazy, sure. neutral (ur 2-2-1 idea on scum), sure. but wolf? i dont see it, but maybe its just my inexperience speaking. that is why i think u are linked if he turn out wolf. just my opinion, not all have to agree with. we will see what happen if game go that route.

agree 100% that as it is, gaz should be lynch. only exception is if we figure out alternative reason why on night 3 there was no kill.

[uberfish]

Dont see anything scummy about how I have used my vote, and was surprised when people started to say it was clearly a scum power.

Because splitting your vote can be a tactic to get someone else lynched while avoiding responsibility.

I actually have a slight village read on Jkaen for coming clean about his suspicious ability at this point though... Since we were all calling the ability use scummy.

[Jowy]

to elaborate more, why i think gunmaker apprentice as wolf is not true. two bullet as villager make sense, because u might kill other villagers. but if wolf, you know who are other wolf. you will have 100% hit rate. too strong role, is it not? also if our sanity mechanic theory true, it also activate when villager already losing.

[uberfish]

Yeah that's why I switched to Lewwyn when I found out the role flavour was true. Then I realised the gunmaker stuff still fit with a solo player. I don't think brick is a wolf, but I don't think he is village either.

[Mattimeo]

Day 3 - I was active again and had followed the arguments, hence I doubled my own vote.

You sure it wasn't because Night 2 was when the "yeah, not doubling your vote is a scum tell" conversation happened?

I actually have a slight village read on Jkaen for coming clean about his suspicious ability at this point though... Since we were all calling the ability use scummy.

Really? Coming clean about an ability that he was the prime candidate for (the "how has the double vote been playing scum so far?" questions on Night 2 were rather a hint) while currently in the lead of the voting tally results in a town lean, now?
Though to be honest, I have a slight town lean on him myself, mainly from the aforementioned conversation regarding the use of the extra vote.

[Jkaen]

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Day 3 - I was active again and had followed the arguments, hence I doubled my own vote.

You sure it wasn't because Night 2 was when the "yeah, not doubling your vote is a scum tell" conversation happened?

I dont understand what you are asking here, can you try rephrasing your question please

[Qgqqqqq]

No idea how to take that...especially seeing as Jkaen could've claimed anything at this stage.
Especially a protective role seeing as he had we know there's been no claims and some saves.
unvote
I'm leaning Gazglum atm, given the lack of protective roles.
Basically its either that or they deliberately non killed, which feels unlikely (and if so, I'm going for the paranoid theory that BRick set the whole thing up to get us to lynch->pins target->pin for a while, especially given how everyone was trying to kill him.

[Or its a single faction...]

[Mattimeo]

Not sure what Jkaen's claim means for the idea of a double-voting, late game kill gaining, 'survivor' BRick. Is it still as likely if he's no way of attempting to ensure survival in the early game?

The other point is that we're basically out of people who can claim "oh, I attempted to save someone last night, don't lynch Gazglum, he probably is actually a seer!" So unless you're in the "pindicator is framing everybody" camp, I think Gazglum is the best bet today.

[Qgqqqqq]

I actually have a slight village read on Jkaen for coming clean about his suspicious ability at this point though... Since we were all calling the ability use scummy.

Really? Coming clean about an ability that he was the prime candidate for (the "how has the double vote been playing scum so far?" questions on Night 2 were rather a hint) while currently in the lead of the voting tally results in a town lean, now?
Though to be honest, I have a slight town lean on him myself, mainly from the aforementioned conversation regarding the use of the extra vote.

He wasn't my prime candidate for it. I mean, half the claimed roles are unproven (Gazglum, BRick, uber, Lewwyn, Jowy - its only you pin and zak that (IIRC) we've actually got hard evidence for) and there's no evidence pointing to him particularly, just that he hadn't claimed. Which, BTW, is why I (at least) was voting him, because he hadn't claimed in a situation where he could claim anything.

[Qgqqqqq]

Actually, I'm certain I'm just being stupid at this point.
Gazglum