[SPOILERS] scooter's thread: England

[scooter]

I think I get it - it's because the lines are drawn, so all that's left at the moment is tactics, and Diplo tactics aren't worth spending 72 hours on, not for 5 moves each.

Pretty much exactly. And the lines are drawn because we had 72 hours (spring01) + 72 hours (fall01) + 24 hours (build phase) + 24 hours (bonus build phase waiting for Amelia) + 72 more hours (current turn - spring02)... That's 11 days when the turn processes in 5 hours... I mean if you haven't figured out how to deal with your neighbors after 11 days then you probably are never going to . Once Nakor's out of the picture, things will probably heat up a little bit and the tactical discussion will be more interesting, but I already have my Fall02 moves planned too, so the next 72 hour phase will be really boring too. Unless:

So what would really liven things up around here is when you decide to stab Uberfish, swap to an EFI alliance for balance of power purposes like historical England...

As much fun as that would be.... No thanks . I did consider cooking up some elaborate lie where I unveil a plan here and then do the opposite just to screw with people lurking this thread (I mean cmon, you backstab all the other players, why not stab lurkers too??), but I've refrained thus far.

[Wyatan]

I mean cmon, you backstab all the other players, why not stab lurkers too??

Is that a stab at QoTM ?

[fire&ice]

That's 11 days when the turn processes in 5 hours... I mean if you haven't figured out how to deal with your neighbors after 11 days then you probably are never going to

So do you have anything to analyze at all to keep us entertained

[antisocialmunky]

So do you have anything to analyze at all to keep us entertained

If you must be entertained...
http://teamfourstar.com/

[scooter]

Typing on iPod so full analysis (to keep you all entertained of course ) will have to come later.... But wow by Russia. Looks like big stab on turkey.... A/R alliance is in full effect... That's a perfect example of why you never want to give up the Black Sea... Crucial.

Anyone care to guess why we did the bur->bre move? I'll explain when I'm at my computer.

[fire&ice]

spliting france into thirds

par

mar

and then spain + others

[Mardoc]

Anyone care to guess why we did the bur->bre move? I'll explain when I'm at my computer.

Well - the only thing I can see is that you weren't confident in Italian support, so rather than risk a stalemate, you moved the german army into a better spot, so you can at least apply more german armies to the problem in 1903.

It looks like Paris is still defensible, though, unless you have Italian attacks on Spain and Marseilles. So I guess it was also a test to see if Rowain would stab you? You told him you were moving on Paris, which you would get if and only if he cut the Marseilles support, but you chose a move instead that didn't depend on him. Now that you know he's helping, you can move on Paris in confidence.


On a different note - is there anything you can do to help Amelia (and if you can, would you?), or is Russia just going to eat a Turkey sandwich?

[Mardoc]

And, I've got a question for you. Why did you move your liverpool fleet to the Irish sea instead of the North Atlantic Ocean? It seems that you lose the option of moving to the Norwegian sea, without anything in particular that you gain. I realize you're almost certainly going to be attacking or supporting MAO anyway, but why not keep the option open on general principles?

[scooter]

Is that a stab at QoTM ?

Absolutely! Nice pun btw

And, I've got a question for you. Why did you move your liverpool fleet to the Irish sea instead of the North Atlantic Ocean? It seems that you lose the option of moving to the Norwegian sea, without anything in particular that you gain. I realize you're almost certainly going to be attacking or supporting MAO anyway, but why not keep the option open on general principles?

Good catch. I'd like to say I have some brilliant reason for it, but I don't. The only possible explanation is not to panic Regoarrar (who I'm trying to build some trust with simply because it's useful), but really, I just didn't consider it. Either way, I was absolutely definitely going for Mao, so like you said it didn't matter that much, but you bring up a good point. I don't think me moving to Nao would exactly fool anyone though, as if I seriously planned to go north, I would've built in Edi instead and saved myself two moves. Good thinking.


I do intend to explain some of the other questions and comments about my moves and such, but every time I go to start writing it, something comes up - and my work on getting PBEM20 going today sort of side-tracked me a bit. So all of that will hopefully be up, uh, maybe tonight. We'll see.

[scooter]

Well, interesting turn. Stuff in the west went exactly according to plan... Stuff in the east, well not so much. Looks like Regoarrar stabbed Amelia, as it's really obvious Amelia wasn't expecting it. It also appears that the A/R alliance is full-tilt... I need to do some work to break that up, and since Russia clearly will benefit WAY more than Lewwyn will, well hopefully I can communicate with Lewwyn and get him to understand that... Otherwise, Russia is a BIG winner here. It's why Russia is so powerful - lots of risk with dogpiles, but one simple stab and he's already in as good/better of a position as Uberfish and I despite how well the plan has been on our side. Russia just has so many options... Also note the contrast - Nakor has gotten 3v1'd and Amelia just got a simple stab, and Amelia is probably going to be dead first barring a change in the A/R hierarchy. Shows how good France is. This is why France and Russia are generally considered to be the top two (although that's of course arguable).


Austria - Again, played conservatively, but will pick up another center. I think he'll be able to get himself Bulgaria too, but that could also depend on Russia. I imagine Russia will give him Bulgaria, so he may actually be looking at 2 centers, depending on how Turkey plays. Actually, he may just Ser supp Gre and Gre supp Ser to protect from Turkey in Aeg and Bul... So hard to see how that plays out. It really depends on the A/R agreement, which hopefully I'll gain some more insight into tomorrow.

Turkey - What happened here? He seemed to obviously be expecting Regoarrar to play nice which is why it really looks like a stab. Barring some changes in the diplomatic landscape, Amelia will be dead before Nakor.

Austria - Not sure what his gameplan is here. Russia appears set to benefit way more than him here... Also, Rego has been hitting up me and Uberfish about alliances (both against each other and together), so I don't think Regoarrar is particularly close with Lewwyn, though I could be misreading things. I need to do some talking with him tomorrow.

Italy - To quote myself on Austria - "not sure what his gameplan is here"... He poked me on chat today - asking why I didn't build a fleet in the north... Wonder if he's suspecting that I'll give him trouble next... I explained it is an agreement with Regoarrar (pretty much true) and trying to build trust with Regoarrar (also true), so he seemed to understand that. He's hard to read though, and he's a smart guy (so it seems to me anyways), so I could be misreading him. He's moved a second fleet over, so I suppose I can't really complain about him not helping as much anymore, although not like there was much else for him to do. He will probably get 0 centers this year, so yeah, it's always tough playing Italy.

Germany and England - Putting us together. Everything is going according to plan still, so good stuff. The Bur-Gas thing was intentional, and I'll explain that all when I get to it, but suffice it to say everything is following the script perfectly.