Politics Discussion Thread (Heated Arguing Warning)

[AdrienIer]

The house distribution favors the republicans so much that it's not really a problem there.

It's true that in a normal year the democrats will get like 2 or 3 of those states, in a good year 5. Still, do the republicans really want to unbalance the electoral college in their favor even more ? At some point the backlash will be to get rid of the electoral college altogether.

[Tasunke]

'I'm open to ideas, provided they can be proven' -> 'ranting about his conviction'

Could say something about ideological lensing here, but that'd probably make me a racism-apologist.

Oh, I guess I may have taken some descriptive liberties there.  After all, all Gavagai did was spend several pages "raising questions" about whether some races might be superior to others, which is definitely not something he actually believes.  Also he keeps talking about people from Central America like they're a criminally-inclined horde of inferior beings.  But hey, I haven't seen any crude slurs or /pol gifs, so it's all very respectable.   I certainly would never want to imply that just maybe Gavagi is a racist, as we all know there is no greater wrong one can do to a fellow being than inflict upon them the r-word.  

What? I need to ask you to take this back or it will be very hard for me to keep this in politics thread.

Aww man!  Is that a threat? I'd certainly hate it if you treated me differently in one of our many games together.  I can't imagine you'd ever do anything like that though, as we obviously share a mutual & genteel appreciation for each other's contrasting political opinions.  

It is indeed.So lets see if i underatsnd corectly.In Sua you go to  a place were they are voting and say, i want to vot and they let you and after you can go somewere else if you want and do same?

Is this a joke?  We have computers, mackoti.  Election officers can track when and where you've voted.  Come on.

Come now Bob ... everyone knows that Racism is good. I mean I am racist. Hippus are the superior race of mankind. Anyone not putting their kid on a horse at the age of 5 is clearly untermenschen. I mean damn, that is just common sense.

As far as mandatory state-wide ID, that is some 1984 shit right there. If someone wants off the grid let em ... just dont allow them to vote lol. Free health care check-ups and access to ID for those that want it seem reasonable. Not that I'm a huge supporter of Democracy or anything, but the idea of Voter Fraud is just cancerous.

[Tasunke]

Personally I have no problem with requiring ID to vote, as long as it's made easy to get ID. For example, the BC Services Card, which provides access to government services like healthcare, is free. However, the USA has a cultural issue with requiring its citizens to carry around mandated ID (which is really the best way to ensure that everyone has it)

I seriously doubt many people object to the idea that voters should have some form of ID.  The problems in the U.S. are that A: voter ID laws are not consistent nation-wide, and B: that's because they've often been obviously tailored by Republican legislatures to disenfranchise certain groups.  You can probably guess which ones.  


It's not bad at all in my state; the list of acceptable IDs is extensive, and it's simple to obtain one.  Other states however make it financially and logistically taxing for lower-income constituencies to obtain them, despite T-hawk's breezy assertions otherwise.  They don't make it impossible, just pointlessly burdensome, which is still odious.

Hmm ... I believe it was initially the Democrats that introduced things like Voter ID and Minimum wage in order to keep non-whites disenfranchised. Teddy Roosevelt comes to mind in the early 1900s, pushing for Minimum wage in California to push less skilled workers out of jobs.

By the time Republicans became the "de facto white party" it had largely become more than just a race issue. At that point the Democrats had flipped from being the party of exlusionary progressive practices to being the party of large governments in order to get the votes of new ethnicities. Just look at Lyndon B. Johnson's golden civilization or whatever he called it, where he massively expanded welfare and other programs which led to both Blacks and Whites (and Mexicans) seeing a massive surge in Single Motherhood (largely due to financial incentives).

It is one thing to bring other races into the Country Clubs and secret Societies, and invite them into all of the same things legal equality style etc ... its another thing to promote a massive Overspending Nannystate. I for one don't agree with either the massive military spending of the NeoCon or the massive Welfare spending of the Democrat.

A non-exlusionary(all inclusive) meritocratic state would be a lot better than what the USA has now (a partially exlusionary corporate welfare/ farmer welfare/ military welfare system with actual full welfare for millions of people that sit around doing nothing for society, and an election cycle with so much money pumped into it that actual decent candidates don't stand a chance in hell at being elected (in most cases))

[ipecac]

The house distribution favors the republicans so much that it's not really a problem there.

It's true that in a normal year the democrats will get like 2 or 3 of those states, in a good year 5. Still, do the republicans really want to unbalance the electoral college in their favor even more ?

You say 'unbalance', but that's what the true balance should be. In the first place, why do Democrats need this unfair advantage? As a handicap because their current position is quite bad?

At some point the backlash will be to get rid of the electoral college altogether.

Almost by definition, if Democrats are desperate enough to seriously push for that, they don't have the numbers to get such a radical change to happen.

[Bacchus]

So, what do people think of one Democratic political scientist's idea of splitting Cali into multiple states to increase democratic representations in Senate\Electoral College?

Link: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre...fight-back

[ipecac]

So, what do people think of one Democratic political scientist's idea of splitting Cali into multiple states to increase democratic representations in Senate\Electoral College?

If they indeed open that box, I look forward to Southwest Carolina, followed by West-southwest Carolina and so forth.

[Tasunke]

Well, California should be split regardless .... I think the 3 state solution is best but a 2 state solution is fine by me. Any more than 5 would be overkill however.

I also think that the nature of Democrat party will change once the Bay Area is separate from the rest of California. (for the better)



Also, how many people agree Southern California will vote to rejoin mexico?

[AdrienIer]

The house distribution favors the republicans so much that it's not really a problem there.

It's true that in a normal year the democrats will get like 2 or 3 of those states, in a good year 5. Still, do the republicans really want to unbalance the electoral college in their favor even more ?

You say 'unbalance', but that's what the true balance should be. In the first place, why do Democrats need this unfair advantage? As a handicap because their current position is quite bad?

The "true balance" should be that republicans win unless democrats win by a 5 point margin ? I don't think you realize how weird your system is, and how unfair it is to the general population of the US. The american people wanted a democrat in the white house in 6 of the last 7 elections, but the republicans managed to get their guy elected 3 times. 

At some point the backlash will be to get rid of the electoral college altogether.

Almost by definition, if Democrats are desperate enough to seriously push for that, they don't have the numbers to get such a radical change to happen.

You mean in the general population ? Or in the legislature ?
Getting rid of the electoral college is not some new whim. It almost happened in the 30s, and the NPVIC might make it possible again without congressional involvement (if there's a blue wave in the state legislature this year).

[Nicolae Carpathia]

4X and grand strategy gamer communities are full of extremely pathological people who think the world should be as violent and ruthless as their videogames where they always somehow win.

You don't actually want that dumbass.

[Bacchus]

Leftist activist communities are full of extremely pathological people, who think the world should be as topic-obsessed and histrionic as their echo-chambers where they are always somehow right.

You don't actually want that, dumbass. It'd help to learn punctuation, too.