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RB PBEM 2 - de Krill of Fronce

And an interesting piece of diplo, the others appear to know that I'm researching Machinery. Now I need to work out if I do anything via trade, or if I play the bastard card earlier than intended.
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Chat with SL. I'm almost certainly not going to trade machinery, nor am I going to pay more than 20 gold for the workboat.

Quote:(11:30:28 AM) de krill of Fronce: yo dude
(11:30:32 AM) de krill of Fronce: wassup?
(11:31:37 AM) Squareleg: Hey
(11:31:49 AM) Squareleg: Can't help but notice I have a stranded Work boat..
(11:31:59 AM) de krill of Fronce: yeah
(11:32:04 AM) de krill of Fronce: intended to talk to you about that
(11:32:18 AM) de krill of Fronce: just been busy past 3 days, working
(11:32:41 AM) Squareleg: no probs... How long is the WB gonna be there before your borders pop?
(11:33:07 AM) de krill of Fronce: well, I was going to offer you OB again
(11:33:19 AM) de krill of Fronce: until provided you move the wb back south
(11:33:19 AM) Squareleg: Why did you close them?
(11:33:32 AM) de krill of Fronce: didn't want him heading east
(11:33:52 AM) Squareleg: ok - I can do that - if you re open i will head back south
(11:33:59 AM) de krill of Fronce: ok, will do it next turn
(11:34:10 AM) Squareleg: cool - congrats on the mids
(11:34:23 AM) de krill of Fronce: The other option, whih I'm not sure if you are interested in, is me buying the work boat
(11:34:30 AM) de krill of Fronce: thank you
(11:34:38 AM) de krill of Fronce: Not sure if that is hte wonder that you wanted?
(11:34:47 AM) de krill of Fronce: Or if you were going for Parth
(11:34:50 AM) Squareleg: It was on my wish list - yeah
(11:35:01 AM) de krill of Fronce: ah, ok
(11:35:30 AM) Squareleg: But with you cleaning up all the wonders no one is safe!
(11:35:32 AM) Squareleg: wink
(11:35:42 AM) de krill of Fronce: Just waiting on the dog pile
(11:35:48 AM) Squareleg: ha ha
(11:36:15 AM) Squareleg: they do paint a target somewhat although everyone else seems busy doing other things at the moment
(11:36:53 AM) Squareleg: If I head back south are we going to continue having OB afterwards or do you want to close them?
(11:37:16 AM) de krill of Fronce: depends on world situation
(11:37:33 AM) Squareleg: ok - if i am at peace with yaz or not?
(11:37:48 AM) de krill of Fronce: and if Yaz is alive
(11:37:54 AM) Squareleg: oh yeah
(11:37:58 AM) de krill of Fronce: and if I am getting trade routes with you, which depends on paper
(11:38:02 AM) de krill of Fronce: lots of things
(11:38:13 AM) Squareleg: so when will you be sending a scout out then?
(11:38:22 AM) de krill of Fronce: well, I have a scout out now
(11:38:33 AM) de krill of Fronce: just not sure when I reach you
(11:38:37 AM) de krill of Fronce: and Paper is probably sooner
(11:38:40 AM) Squareleg: where is he/she?
(11:39:01 AM) Squareleg: paper isn't far off
(11:39:43 AM) de krill of Fronce: currently deliberating whether to go north around Yaz and his islands or towards you
(11:40:25 AM) Squareleg: I went trhough yaz's capital to get to you - it is the quickest route by far if you can take it.
(11:41:09 AM) Squareleg: If not then both the north and south routes are quite long around yaz and ruff's island - I don't know which is quicker
(11:43:56 AM) de krill of Fronce: ok, thanks for that heads up
(11:46:46 AM) Squareleg: no probs.
(11:47:20 AM) de krill of Fronce: On a similar note, you research Calendar, right?
(11:47:48 AM) Squareleg: yep
(11:47:57 AM) Squareleg: it is done
(11:48:17 AM) de krill of Fronce: yeah, missed the -ed on the verb
(11:48:52 AM) de krill of Fronce: would you be interested in trading it?
(11:48:57 AM) Squareleg: what for?
(11:49:02 AM) de krill of Fronce: up to you
(11:49:42 AM) Squareleg: ok - I forget what you have recently been up to research-wise...
(11:52:30 AM) Squareleg: Let me check the game when I'm back from work and see what we can come up with - btw - how much would you offer me for the wb?
(11:57:38 AM) de krill of Fronce: sorry for delay
(11:57:51 AM) de krill of Fronce: been setting up a car inspection on the phone.
(11:58:04 AM) de krill of Fronce: the work boat, I'm unsure about
(11:58:13 AM) de krill of Fronce: basically, I can't pay in hammers
(11:58:31 AM) de krill of Fronce: so it would have to be paid for either by beakers, gold, or resource trades
(11:58:41 AM) de krill of Fronce: and hte latter Yaz can stop
(11:59:02 AM) Squareleg: what hammer to gold ratio would you use?
(11:59:09 AM) Squareleg: they are 30h right?
(11:59:20 AM) de krill of Fronce: 20 haammers for the workboat
(11:59:34 AM) de krill of Fronce: and it comes down to marginal utility of the work boat, for how useful it is to me
(11:59:35 AM) Squareleg: you gone dutch on me?
(11:59:46 AM) de krill of Fronce: my typing is getting worse, actually
(11:59:49 AM) de krill of Fronce: not sure why
(11:59:58 AM) Squareleg: I suffer all the time!
(12:00:43 PM) Squareleg: My plan for the work boat was to scout back the south of Yaz/ruff and so he has a pretty important job to do - if he frees himself from your borders of course! wink
(12:01:11 PM) de krill of Fronce: otoh, If paper is close, you could trade for that map from Darrell
(12:01:23 PM) Squareleg: he ultimately dreams of a life of retirement netting fish though...
(12:01:37 PM) Squareleg: yep
(12:01:47 PM) Squareleg: Who is teching paper? Darrell?
(12:01:50 PM) de krill of Fronce: other point is, he migh be costing you gold to maintain now
(12:01:59 PM) de krill of Fronce: Darell is doing Music atm
(12:02:18 PM) de krill of Fronce: but Paper is probably high on the list of Dreylin
(12:02:22 PM) Squareleg: but paper afterwards?
(12:02:26 PM) de krill of Fronce: as he has 2 option prerequisites
(12:02:32 PM) Squareleg: Dunno what Dreylin is up to atm
(12:02:40 PM) Squareleg: I need to have a chat with him
(12:02:47 PM) de krill of Fronce: so costs him like 425 base beakers
(12:03:40 PM) Squareleg: What do you have to give for calendar?
(12:04:04 PM) de krill of Fronce: Right now? Nothing, but tbh I'm not really all that interested in it right now
(12:04:09 PM) de krill of Fronce: got no calendar resources
(12:04:19 PM) de krill of Fronce: thinking more long term
(12:04:45 PM) Squareleg: fair enough - I seem to have loads of the same calendar resource...
(12:04:52 PM) Squareleg: every island i have seen has it...
(12:04:58 PM) de krill of Fronce: Lucky you
(12:05:04 PM) Squareleg: yey
(12:06:02 PM) Squareleg: I'm gonna grab some lunch shortly.
(12:06:25 PM) de krill of Fronce: ok
(12:06:32 PM) de krill of Fronce: fwiw, I'm currently sitting on machinery
(12:07:17 PM) Squareleg: ok - i'll bear that in mind. I'll catch you soon mate
(12:07:36 PM) de krill of Fronce: cya around
(12:08:57 PM) de krill of Fronce: I'd probably open the negoitiating for hte wb at about 15 gold tbh with you
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Thanks for the big update :-)

Which Wonder will you build next? And what is your view of the diplomatic landscape?
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Rowain Wrote:Thanks for the big update :-)

Which Wonder will you build next? And what is your view of the diplomatic landscape?

Next wonder will be the NE (in LS, after the harbour, and possibly a light house). Cop out, but I have no chance at the AP and not really fussed about it, Darrell has basically gifted Sistine to SL, I don't need Notre Dame, I'm adding GS to a science city, so MoM won't get used, I don't have the workers to make use of Hagia Sophia, I agreed to not build HG to Darrell for him not building the GL (starting to see the light on the good choice Darrell made there btw), and not going to be building many temples/monasaries for UoS (and hence AK is out).

I'm not actually planning on any more wonders until possibly SoL or Taj.

Diplomatic landscape is easy: I really am waiting for everyone to stop trading with me and declare war on me, except Darrell. Darrell basically thinks the same thing, and that is why he suggested I just trade machinery around now for what I can get. I'm slightly annoyed that it is speeding up Astro date, but that hurts everyone as much as it hurts myself, probably hurts everyone more tbh.
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On that note, got a Machinery+HBR for Paper+Theo deal with Dreylin, and no build clauses atached to AP and UoS. Not a bad trade, and I can't really push all that hard with the idea of an embargo hanging over me.
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Krill Wrote:I'm slightly annoyed that it is speeding up Astro date, but that hurts everyone as much as it hurts myself, probably hurts everyone more tbh.

Can you enlighten me on the bolded part? I see why (early) Astro hurts you but why the others ?
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Rowain Wrote:Can you enlighten me on the bolded part? I see why (early) Astro hurts you but why the others ?

I can tech to astro, by myself, just as fast as everyone else could get there pooling resources, so I'm not worried about a naval drop without the ability to defend myself.

However, once we have astro, the game becomes much more open - we all need galleon sentry nets, and we have to start defending coastal cities. Go back and look at my stats, I'm the player with the strongest empire, the civ that can most ably afford the military needed for defence. And when you add in that Darrell won't declare war on me, and doesn't want to join another alliance against me (embargo, still trading tech with me)...Dreylin and SL can not afford to wage war with me without crippling their economies.

Remember, I can run Theo and vassalage and get C2 galleons, so they will not have odds on my navy. Then they need to build an army to take away my cities, whereas I just have to dedicate more to the navy to stop them landing said units. Even if they try to 2v1 me, I'm confident that I will win and then dismember Dreylin. And while this is happening, Darrell is either growing (he would easily end up my equal or better), or preparing to hit SL (thus showing the folly of the 2v1). If Ruff enters the war to protect SL, Darrell takes him to pieces and grows that way. I've only got 2 weaker civs that don't have the traits required for warfare in the sail boat era.

Basically, I'm not invulnerable, but so long as Darrell won't declare war on me and views SL as his next expansion target there is not reason why I shouldn't be able to win any war in the next 60 turns. Unless I have no oil or uranium, I'm currently #1 to win the game.
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Krill Wrote:You need to know exactly what you are searching for to use Google properly...and I was only at home for 15 minutes to play the turn and go back to work (I live 2 minutes from my work, really great). So, with that said, thanks T-hawk, for pointing it out, and writing it in the first place smile

Anyway, update eta is next 2 hours, need a shower and some decent food. But I've been working out some numbers to put the game into perspective, and they illuminate just how lucky I've been quite well IMO.

So, I can revolt 4 civics until I get my 13th city, and 3 thereafter until I reach my 25th city. Considering I already have 8, plans to get up to 13 before Astro gets researched, and those islands towards Yaz to settle, I expect 3 ciivics will be the normal amount for me for the remainder of this game. Which is perfect:

Revolt #1: Rep+Bureau
Revolt #2: Theo+Vassalage+Police State
Revolt #3: Caste+FM (free slot for Vassalage->Nationhood or Theo->OR).

And if any bastard decides to go with Emancipation, I'm going 100% to take them out and screw the state of my economy.
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OK, SL did the one thing that would get me to trade machinery. He is teching Fued, so straight Machinery for Fued deal, plus I'm buying the workboat for 15 gold. Could have been worse, but it means I can speed up the growth of Lands Middle by a half dozen turns smile

Reason I will trade for Fued is because I need that tech for defence (see above), and it pushes me towards guilds (and good workshops). Dreylin would want the tech to get towards his UU (I can't believe the last tech he researched towards his UU is either BW or AH). As fun as it would be to not trade with SL, and see if Dreylin will break the no brokering agreement, I can't really push Darrell to trade me the techs that Sl has researched as compensation (or rather, if I chose to go down the route, I'm just annoying other players and maing work for myself. At my heart, I'm a lazy bastard).

Now, just need to figure out what Ruff would pay me, to be able to make maces...


Quote:(4:55:13 PM) de krill of Fronce: You around mate?
(4:55:17 PM) de krill of Fronce: Or going home shortly?
(5:03:39 PM) Squareleg: Hey - yeah - both...
(5:04:11 PM) de krill of Fronce: ok, well, I was mainly wondering what you were considering teching right now, and if you would be interested in trading for machinery.
(5:04:59 PM) Squareleg: Yeah - I'm up for a machinery trade.
(5:05:06 PM) Squareleg: I am teching Feud atm
(5:06:15 PM) de krill of Fronce: ok
(5:07:03 PM) de krill of Fronce: Would you care to name the price for that wb, btw?
(5:07:31 PM) Squareleg: Are you ok for a straight Feud - Machinery trade?
(5:07:42 PM) de krill of Fronce: yeah, sounds about right
(5:08:49 PM) de krill of Fronce: they are equal cost, so a straight up trade sounds about right
(5:09:35 PM) Squareleg: The work boat - I haven't really thought about too much but 15g sounds good on the face of it.
(5:10:24 PM) Squareleg: Send it through when you get the save and i'll gift the wb. Need ob for that too of course
(5:10:33 PM) de krill of Fronce: ok will do
(5:11:18 PM) Squareleg: Who has the save onw?
(5:11:21 PM) Squareleg: now
(5:11:21 PM) de krill of Fronce: Darrell
(5:11:37 PM) de krill of Fronce: but he has no internet at home due to a storm
(5:11:38 PM) Squareleg: He'll be at work for a bit though I guess.
(5:11:43 PM) de krill of Fronce: so unsure when I'lll receive the save
(5:11:45 PM) Squareleg: really
(5:11:46 PM) de krill of Fronce: yeah
(5:11:52 PM) de krill of Fronce: 1211 for him
(5:11:54 PM) Squareleg: sounds like fun!
(5:12:28 PM) Squareleg: whereas we for once have some sunshine1
(5:12:37 PM) de krill of Fronce: yeah
(5:12:52 PM) de krill of Fronce: only working Wednesday this week
(5:12:57 PM) de krill of Fronce: so hoping the weather stays good
(5:13:38 PM) Squareleg: Nice - the missus is away for a bit over the next 2 weeks so I should be able to get some more play time in
(5:14:06 PM) Squareleg: See if i can't get a wonder of my own one day!
(5:14:12 PM) Squareleg: wink
(5:14:37 PM) de krill of Fronce: heehe
(5:14:49 PM) de krill of Fronce: Going to have to fight Dreylin for them it seems
(5:15:30 PM) Squareleg: I know - he has his eye on a couple.
(5:15:51 PM) Squareleg: I gotta run - home time for me. cya
(5:16:11 PM) de krill of Fronce: cya mate
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...What the hell am I supposed to do for 5 turns? Save gold?

Quote:(5:19:45 PM) Krill: Yo Dreylin, just wondering, but do you have an eta, even a vague one, for paper?
(6:14:25 PM) Dreylin: vague = within 8-10t
(6:14:35 PM) Dreylin: how about Mach?
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