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Ellimist Wrote:With the quantity of units involved, T2 would probably have been able to win even if T1 had attacked.
I definitely disagree. T1 saw this coming ages away, they just disagreed that it'd actually work, so have been playing the long game in preparation for a showdown with T3. If they hadn't done that I have no doubt they could have come up with a plan to seige one of their legendary cities and at the very least prevent T2 from throwing all their forces in Beijing, which is what's preventing t3 from taking the city.
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Depends on the time frame. But TBH, if T1 had built those units in time to siege Milkshake, they wouldn't have those factories or destroyers against T3 or various other things. Their position would be significant;y weaker than it currently looks like in their eyes (because let's be frankly, they don't even have a viable position anymore).
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Yeah, exactly. They obviously could have stopped the CV if they had gone all out drafting rifles and whipping cannons as soon as possible. But would they have been willing to tank their economy in order to do so? I doubt it. They probably would have reacted just like team 3, waiting as long as possible and hoping for someone else to deal with the problem. In that case I have no idea what would have happened.
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I doubt Sulla would play chicken with the game on the line, even at the cost of their sizeable tech and infrastructure lead.
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darrelljs Wrote:I doubt Sulla would play chicken with the game on the line, even at the cost of their sizeable tech and infrastructure lead.
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But giving up the lead in tech and infrastructure when a rival is significantly ahead in pop and land IS playing chicken, it's just a different type of risk.
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That's quite true. It would have certainly been interesting to watch it play out  .
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luddite Wrote:But giving up the lead in tech and infrastructure when a rival is significantly ahead in pop and land IS playing chicken, it's just a different type of risk.
I'm guessing it was this type of reasoning combined with the map and format that made you guys plan for a CV from the start?
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Tyrmith Wrote:I definitely disagree. T1 saw this coming ages away, they just disagreed that it'd actually work, so have been playing the long game in preparation for a showdown with T3. If they hadn't done that I have no doubt they could have come up with a plan to seige one of their legendary cities and at the very least prevent T2 from throwing all their forces in Beijing, which is what's preventing t3 from taking the city. I haven't seen anybody add up the hammers involved in T3's attack, but it's definitely over 10,000. There have also been upkeep and other costs involved in maintaining those troops and moving them into position. I don't see T1 making a bigger investment than T3 did.
Team 1 expected their recent attack on T2 to be successful with a fraction of the numbers they would have needed. They don't even know exactly where Milkshake is. While I'm sure they would have brought more units than they did if they were going after Milkshake, I suspect their numbers would still have fallen short.
Team 3's odds on T190 weren't as good as most people thought they would be, and they would have been worse if Lewwyn had used his collateral.
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superjm Wrote:I'm guessing it was this type of reasoning combined with the map and format that made you guys plan for a CV from the start?
Yeah, and it just seems like quick speed plus the team format makes CV much easier to achieve than in a normal game. Having the element of surprise is crucial too, of course.
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Ceiliazul Wrote:That's the conclusion I came to also. Sulla knew team2 was basing their whole game on this mechanic, and only did limited sims to prove their folly. If three players are spending hundreds of hours chasing this victory, you have to expect they would test it thoroughly! To be fair, I believe none of us popped up to say "Wait, there has to be something wrong" when Sullla first stated CV was impossible. Well, that's not really true but at least there was a lot more of :weed: going around. 
There's something about the presence of affirmative evidence that makes one stop searching.
I wonder if Culture Victory will be banned should there be future team Pitboss; sounds like some wouldn't prefer it for Prisoner Dilemma nature.
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