[LURKER THREAD] You're the best around

[pindicator]

[Gawdzak]

Whose do you think is the best capital?

From what I remember, OH had the best capital by far: 2 land based food, one of which is a river side wheat no less, and tons of forests.

On the other hand, TBS's original capital was absolute shit.

[MJW (ya that one)]

mackoti is not happy and he still has a ~200 point...it's as if pitbosses are his job.

[AdrienIer]

So... OH says he concedes to whoever wins, Mackoti wants to concede to TBS, the others seem to be out of contention, is it the end ?

[Krill]

That's game. Need to post in the tech thread.

[OT4E]

Map was way too big for 8 players to let the things be so unbalanced. I was surprised to hear that Mack was complaining about his start because it was way better that what the others had. He played it out well but still I see nothing he could be truely unhappy about.

I have to apologize for pushing an idea to play on random map without much artificial editings. I am sorry that it resulted for most of the players in spending plenty of time in totally unwinnable situation. But it seems that the mapmaker took the worst sides of my initial idea. I still think It can work. It supposes that people have many different opportunities for opening, later expansion or interacting, but neither of this I could find this game. The map was really poor, I had to choose where to plant 2nd city from a single plain cow or fish without even place to recover food with green farms. I have never been put in the situation where my cities simply become unhealthy at the size of 10 but I didnt suffer from it fully since I actually had no food to grow them that high. Weird.

[mackoti]

Map was way too big for 8 players to let the things be so unbalanced. I was surprised to hear that Mack was complaining about his start because it was way better that what the others had. He played it out well but still I see nothing he could be truely unhappy about.

I have to apologize for pushing an idea to play on random map without much artificial editings. I am sorry that it resulted for most of the players in spending plenty of time in totally unwinnable situation. But it seems that the mapmaker took the worst sides of my initial idea. I still think It can work. It supposes that people have many different opportunities for opening, later expansion or interacting, but neither of this I could find this game. The map was really poor, I had to choose where to plant 2nd city from a single plain cow or fish without even place to recover food with green farms. I have never been put in the situation where my cities simply become unhealthy at the size of 10 but I didnt suffer from it fully since I actually had no food to grow them that high. Weird.

I see we clearly we dont understand civ the same for example in my opinion if the starting pozitioin are counted from 1 to 10, OH woul have been a 10, yours would be an 8, TBs would be an 8 as well mine would have been a 6 , same for REM , 5 for pindi and a 1 for 2MN. And lets see why: You strted with a 6 tile, which more then that was an agri one, OH same stted with a 6 tile , and had a green sheep as well, and I had what? clams man which are 4 when improved so i needed 2 clams to be improved to have same return as your tile and a plain hill ship again loads of food what can I say.TBs had a very good capitl to start as well but he decided to move it so was his choise.OTE4 i would change our starts any day because until i got sailing and got lighose my capitol and my start and war realy hanicaped. So I realy dont know how you can say for example my start was way better then others beside 2MN which realy had an atrocious start.

[OT4E]

If you evaluate big city cross my start gets 5 points. 1 tile with 5 food is ok, but nothing it regular. Your cap was indeed slower to develop but much better long term. Compare growth capabilities.

I had:
+8 from food and just 2 grassland tiles not consuming food to work. So all my efforts brought it to the size of 13 only.

You had:
+15 from food and lake. By the time I was pushing for like 15 turns to get 12th pop your cap was signing in the top5 with 20 citizens. But of course thats because of your brilliant play and has nothing related with starting conditions.

But it is stupid to evaluate just starting positions. I simply had nowhere to settle if I decided to focus my opening on expansion. So overall I'd measure my start with "2" while your start was absolutely okay to play

Nuff said.

[mackoti]

If you evaluate big city cross my start gets 5 points. 1 tile with 5 food is ok, but nothing it regular. Your cap was indeed slower to develop but much better long term. Compare growth capabilities.

I had:
+8 from food and just 2 grassland tiles not consuming food to work. So all my efforts brought it to the size of 13 only.

You had:
+15 from food and lake. By the time I was pushing for like 15 turns to get 12th pop your cap was signing in the top5 with 20 citizens. But of course thats because of your brilliant play and has nothing related with starting conditions.

But it is stupid to evaluate just starting positions. I simply had nowhere to settle if I decided to focus my opening on expansion. So overall I'd measure my start with "2" while your start was absolutely okay to play

Nuff said.

I was talking about how dificult my opening was, i had 2 build 2 wb before a worker at that time you could had already started on your setler so could had a way faster start and realy yours resources werrent worse then mine and you had more green land near by my only luck was that i was fin and i could hapily waork coast but long term that was a dead end.If i could choose what start i want for sure was OH , second TBs and third was yours for sure.
Why i was unhapy because the setup , forced to play with something didnt wanted, after falowin CD i realized ther were people which got 6 food hammers tiles even more important 5 food tiles and i got freking clams .In the end I am glad game ended and TBS deserves a big congrats because he played his position very well and turned into a win.What i done wrong is that I was indecis first wanted to conquer Rem and OH stoped that by sniping my caravels and I went on tilt and invested everithing against them .I could hace conquered 2MN 20 turns earlier and be finished with conquest and ready to stop Tbs agresion on comodore for 10 maybe more turns which would had buyed time for Comm to get a better defence.From my point of view game was decided by OH when he decide to protect REM from me(Rem had no units in his cities) and his cities were far better and more developed then 2MN ones.

[Old Harry]

Apologies for the war Mack, I thought Com and TBS would keep each other busy, so allowing you to take REM, OT4E (who I thought you were going for for some reason) or 2Metra would be GG. Definitely didn't help my cause any .

I need to figure out why I dropped off so horribly t150-200 - I suspect I should have spent more time in Serfdom, but that can't be all I did wrong...

Have to say I enjoyed having to play the map slightly differently to normal, but we should really have asked for a balanced map. Thing is I PMed most of our map makers and Ceil was the only one who responded and it didn't sound like he had much time so I (we?) thought this was the easiest way for him to generate it. 100 map rolls doesn't sound like that does it?