Diplomacy Master Thread- Helping Your Opponents Beat Themselves

[Bigger]

ah who cares we will build our own catapults anyway and have much better results against them than WPC will. really we don't need WPC to build our army for us, I'm not even sure its worth taking any troops from them. (not saying refuse the deal, we should be ready to fight by then).

As someone in sales, I find Tatu's closing technique to be humorous .

[Nicolae Carpathia]

I doubt we'll even use Cats. We're doing a knight rush, and banking on them lacking pikes. Don't want cats except for defence. So we need some way of letting them down gently and so they don't feel that we're obliged to give them a 50:50 split of land. 70:30 I'd be happier with, considering we'll be the ones sweeping through their backlines.

[Tyrmith]

The main issue is that they are expecting that their 5 catapults will give them the right to half the German empire- are we okay with that? That is what we are agreeing to here, or at least what they'll think we're agreeing to.

[Bigger]

I doubt we'll even use Cats. We're doing a knight rush, and banking on them lacking pikes. Don't want cats except for defence. So we need some way of letting them down gently and so they don't feel that we're obliged to give them a 50:50 split of land. 70:30 I'd be happier with, considering we'll be the ones sweeping through their backlines.

well then just agree to the war, but let them know we don't think it would be fair for us to accept the cats. problem solved.

[NobleHelium]

Yeah I see no reason to accept a pittance amount of cats and then agree to a predefined land split. We can race to Berlin and let the lines fall where they may.

[Merovech]

We can race to Berlin and let the lines fall where they may.

Let's hope the relations don't end the way they did the last time two armies raced to Berlin.

(Edit: And yes, I do know the Eisenhower deliberately choose not to go for Berlin immediately because no German troops or weaponry were being built there by the end of the war).

[scooter]

So, do I take the lack of response on the CFC message to mean that people are generally happy with it? I'm not in a rush to send it and it can wait until tomorrow, but I don't want to send something of that level of significance before everyone gets a chance to critique it.

[Sullla]

I agreed with it completely; it would be very useful to get a long-lasting peace commitment with one of the only two teams that can actually hurt us (CFC and UniversCiv). However, I'd wait another 12 hours until tomorrow just to let more people weigh in with their opinions. It's definitely a big message.

[Ceiliazul]

Caledorn,
...Feel free to take your time thinking about this. There's no pressure here at all since our NAP still has 30T remaining. This is certainly not a "take it or leave it" offer, we're just trying to initiate talks here. Poke me on chat whenever if you have any questions.

What do you guys think?

Sounds good. Nice job, as usual.

[kjn]

I had a couple of small language nits with the CFC message, but these were already picked up.

I think you should avoid using "I think" when talking about our team, Scooter. It weakens the message that you speak for our entire team. (Using it about the other teams is perfectly fine!)

Otherwise, the main diplo news I can provide is that the Germans has hooked up furs. We might want to trade a spice for that later on, if we get the opportunity.