Darrell has a deal for Astronomy with SL?
Er, did he actually intend to do anything with me in this game? Or was he just bullshitting? regoarrarr, you are in the clear: Darrell is much less trustworthy than you
As of now, Dreylin and SL have agreed to the proxy war, but I'm reconsidering declaring on him and capturing cities on the first turn, Musketeers all the way.
Er, did he actually intend to do anything with me in this game? Or was he just bullshitting? regoarrarr, you are in the clear: Darrell is much less trustworthy than you
As of now, Dreylin and SL have agreed to the proxy war, but I'm reconsidering declaring on him and capturing cities on the first turn, Musketeers all the way.
Quote:21:17 me: cahtchatchat
Squareleg: ok
21:18 me: Long story short
Darrellis acting like a good old fashioned sociopath in this game
sodon't trust him
Squareleg: He has tried to be friendly with everyone
21:19 but that don't get you anywhere
me: Well, he effectively strong armed me into a game long NAP and then did the whole Steel thing with Dreylin
21:20 OS me not happy with him
*so
21:21 Squareleg: so what do you want from me? Cold war>
me: Well...
whathaveyouheardfromDreylin?
stupid spacebar
21:22 Squareleg: That he doesn't trust Darrell either
21:23 me: Well]
I've asked Dreylin to help me ina proxywar
21:24 tbh, I'd wage war myself with help from Dreylim ,and your self if you wanted, but I don;t know how people would view the gamelong NAP after Darrell screwed about with Steel?
Squareleg: Are you actually going to attack Darrell? Btw - I agree with Dreylin and you on this in that Darrell has tried to talk his way through everything signing deals he can't support
me: Who would it reflect worst on etc
Yes
21:25 I don;t care about the land
Squareleg: Dreylin and I have discussed a little on email
me: I just want Darrell either down to a shit island or eliminated from the game now
and I don;t care whatot does to my chances of winning
Squareleg: for the record: I think you were both stupid for signing a game long nap
BUT
21:26 Without knowing the details of the arrangement - I think you have case for breaking it. Darrell fears that ;-)
me: I have chat logs where Darell admits that he'd force a 4v1 if I didn't sign it...
21:27 Squareleg: brb...
me: so yeah, I feel that I'mok with a war, but then I do have a rather emotional argument that othersmight not agree with
brb myself
21:30 back
Squareleg: I know - I reckon the opinion will be pretty split.
21:31 Why did you sign the NAP? Were victory conditions in it by any chance?
me: Iagreed to it because the other coice was a 4v1
Me and Darrell were talking about Lib
21:32 and agreed to go for Steel, in principle
then a few turns later, rings me up and requestts the gamelong NAP or he won't go forSteel
Squareleg: you know - I'd have beaten you guys to lib had i got a GS instead of a 2nd GA whilst in my golden age... ;-)
21:33 stupid SoZ
me: Doubt it...youwouldhave made Steel impossible...but we could build research/wealth and split gold
I could pushabout 500 bpt
Squareleg: Yeah but darrell was on lib - not you
me: before boni
21:34 (I got Philo in 1)
Squareleg: I could bulb reaminder of edu with big overflow and nail lib 1t sooner than darrell
me: I'd have done Lib though
andtaken Astro
Squareleg: spose - had i popped a GS it would have been out of the bag
21:35 me: exactly, Iwas waiting for it
Squareleg: Ok - so by waging a proxy war against Darrell what is in it for me?
me: Would you care to join in and havesome of the land?
21:36 Squareleg: It is the other side of the world to me though...
me: Idon't have your world mapsocan't reeally comment
Squareleg: I'd be more interested in tech.
21:37 me: I'm definitely happy to tech trade with you andDreylin
for instance, if you have not yet played the turn, I know I willbeat you to Astro
21:38 Ialso have Steel, but I'munsure whatyou have lined upwith Darrell for that
Squareleg: nothing
21:39 brb - missus is being a pain...
21:41 me: np. As I've said before, I'm not really interested in Darrells' land, but someone has to have some of it. Dreylin has also said he doesn't really want any of it, so has asked that I cede him some land that I have next to him for his help. However, if you got your FP down,youcould quite easily make Darrells'gold island, and Yaz's old land productive if youwanted them
21:44 Squareleg: Sorry - back
ok - let me have a conflab with Dreylin - I wnat to be on the same page as him since we have worked closely for a while now.
21:45 me: Thought as much
fwiw, though
If there is going to be land redistribution
I'm going to have to claim the remainder of my home island
however
21:46 if I don't have to give up land I've alreadysettled, I don't mind if someone else has Darrellscore
and I wouldn't mind not gaining anything land wise
21:47 so if you and Dreylin were to join in, you'd both get a good 5, 6 cities out of it
21:49 Squareleg: ok - thanks for putting everything on the table - I appreciate your honesty. We'll spaek again soon. I have not had any reason to distrust you whereas Darrell I have - I can see myself either backing you - or not getting too involved - not backing Darrell.
me: Thank you
and again, I'm happy to trade Astro to you (and Dreylin) if you take me up on the offer.
21:50 and Steel to you
Quote:00:11 Dreylin: you around?
00:12 me: I'm here
yes
Dreylin: Cool
SL & I chatted
00:13 me: cool
Dreylin: We're willing to proxy for you
vs. Darrell
me: Awesome!
00:14 Dreylin: Details to work out and suchlike, but we're onboard
me: ok
Dreylin: (& my NAP to expire)
00:15 We still owe Darrell Astro as part of a previous trade
me: oh?
Dreylin: so SL will finish that off
me: backstabbing bastard
I owe that to him as well
well
Dreylin: heh
me: we were working ona deal, anyway
00:16 I'mhapppy to give youastro to trade to him
and SL researches something else that isn;t traded to him
Dreylin: hmm, well we'd have to talk about that
00:17 me: Well,the offer is there
00:18 Dreylin: OK, well SL and I plan to have another summit tomorrow to work out our negotiating position
but I had a deadline
me: Would it be helpful if I made a couple of extra points?
Dreylin: yes
00:19 me: I would be interested in setting out some tech trades
And beyond that, not really interested in much
Dreylin: So basically the land is ours to divvy up?
00:20 me: Well, if you don't want anything that I already have, sure
00:21 Arguably Darrells' mainland city next to my land would be pretty crippled to either of you, but I am happy to not claim it
Dreylin: Yeah
me: If you want some of my land, then I'd have to request that I get some of Farrels land,
00:22 but that would be negoitiatedover
*Darrell
Dreylin: sure, that's what I expected
and you'd supply a bulk of the troops?
00:23 I assume we'd discuss how best to go about the attack
and who builds what, etc.
me: I can go to a proper war footing, yeah. As I said before, it is best if I mainly make boats because they will be uber powerful and Darrell can't compete with them
Even on equal tech
But I'm not really fussed
00:24 Dreylin: I'd suggest SL builds Galleons, I build land units, you build Frigates & some land
00:25 me: Works for me
00:27 fwiw
I'm working tomorrow and Tuesday
SoI'll be leaving home at 1900 GMT
Dreylin: OK, well SL and I will work something out
00:28 BTW, you want me to offer Peace/Cease Fire, or stay at war for the time being?
00:29 me: up to you. Arguably better to stick at war though
00:30 Dreylin: That was my thinking too
00:31 me: Question: Considering how Darrell has acted (and now in light of the Astro bollocks) do you think the NAP between me and him means anything at all? Would other people hold it against me if I declared on him?
Dreylin: I honestly don't know
That's probably one for the lurkers
(who won't answer)
00:32 me: Well, proxy war, real war...
Dreylin: yeah, there's that
00:35 but in the terms of community perception, maybe you have a bit more to do
00:36 me: yeah, thinking of that
Good to hear there's some dirty tactics used in this one, haven't lurked in a while. Should make a good read.
