Casual Pitboss

[yuris125]

My suggestion: we try our best not to double move. We don't need to go to extremes e.g. Waiting until last minute before moving, but everyone should be given a fair chance to react to potential double moves. Double moves will and can still occur, but no one is actively seeking for opportunities to double move.

Yes this works for me

[T-hawk]

In live multiplayer, there's that 8 second delay before a unit can be moved twice, right? Does Pitboss work that way too? If so, I wonder if I can find that 8 second value and mod it to, say, 4 or 8 hours.

[Krill]

You might be able to mod it via the DLL. I haven't found the value anywhere in the XML.

If you found a way to express it in XML though...well, that's any thing for your to do list for the RB mod, T-hawk

[Ceiliazul]

My suggestion: we try our best not to double move. We don't need to go to extremes e.g. Waiting until last minute before moving, but everyone should be given a fair chance to react to potential double moves. Double moves will and can still occur, but no one is actively seeking for opportunities to double move.

+1.

[Cyneheard]

My suggestion: we try our best not to double move. We don't need to go to extremes e.g. Waiting until last minute before moving, but everyone should be given a fair chance to react to potential double moves. Double moves will and can still occur, but no one is actively seeking for opportunities to double move.

I agree. I figure if I've given you 6-12 hours between moves, I'm not seeking to double move you, but I won't go out of my way to be sure that I don't double move you.

I guess I'm not 100% convinced that scooter's scenario A is bad form? Is it b/c he tries to use Civstat camping? If I move at 12hrs on the clock after you end turn, and then show up around 20 to 21.5 hours on the turn, I fail to see the problem?

And I will often get only one window a day to play my turn; I can't always skip that window without risking missing my turn.

[Krill]

I agree. I figure if I've given you 6-12 hours between moves, I'm not seeking to double move you, but I won't go out of my way to be sure that I don't double move you.

I guess I'm not 100% convinced that scooter's scenario A is bad form? Is it b/c he tries to use Civstat camping? If I move at 12hrs on the clock after you end turn, and then show up around 20 to 21.5 hours on the turn, I fail to see the problem?

And I will often get only one window a day to play my turn; I can't always skip that window without risking missing my turn.

A) A given player avoids double moving almost all the time, but he has a neighbor who he has no peaceful plans for. He is scouting near the neighbor's borders when he noticed he has a couple workers he's been sloppy with once or twice by leaving them unguarded near the border and figures he could double-move and snipe them. So on a given turn he waits for this neighbor to login, then he logs in afterwards and moves next to the worker. He manages to login first next turn and steals them. He then attempts to make peace and/or keep a rough turn split with this neighbor, but he did intentioanlly double-move within the rules to get himself the upper-hand on the conflict.

I would suggest that the reason A) is considered...unethical? here is that the player expects to double move to gain an advantage, and explicitly does so. Double moving because of RL constraints is different IMO.

[dazedroyalty]

I would suggest that the reason A) is considered...unethical? here is that the player expects to double move to gain an advantage, and explicitly does so. Double moving because of RL constraints is different IMO.

My opinion is Situation A is against the spirit of the rules if the player is intentionally watching the other players' login and then intentionally double moves. However, if it works out to be a double move that's fine. For example, Player A could move the warrior next to the two workers. Then 8-12 hours later log in and play and see they're still there and snipe them via a technical double move. The difference is that the player didn't game the clock to force a double move.

That said, there is always going to be some grey area around this. Personally, I'm not double moving anyone on purpose when I'm the turn player. In fact, I haven't even been double moving these early turns becuase of my understanding of the rule.

[Krill]

My opinion is Situation A is against the spirit of the rules if the player is intentionally watching the other players' login and then intentionally double moves. However, if it works out to be a double move that's fine. For example, Player A could move the warrior next to the two workers. Then 8-12 hours later log in and play and see they're still there and snipe them via a technical double move. The difference is that the player didn't game the clock to force a double move.

Agree with this 100%.

[dazedroyalty]

In essence, the rule is "play like you can't see logins at CivStats."

In fact, is there a way to make that invisible to everyone but an admin?

[Krill]

Yeah, don't hook the game up to civstats...

Though to be fair, I doubt it would be technically difficult to actually create a program, installed a server that just sent out emails from a generic gmail addy once the turn rolled.