[SPOILERS] PB20 Lurker Thread of Perfect Hindsight

[zakalwe]

So, bunch of people have noted Mack getting MilSci.

All swords get baseline C1.

Is someone about to get Mason'd?

That's an intriguing possibility, and perhaps an unforeseen consequence of the swordsman buff. (Unless it's already been discussed elsewhere?)

[Commodore]

I'd hope it was seen; it's a benefit of aggressive, and a known bonus for Inca typically...does make Chm even better in the endgame if you were smart and stocked some swords.

[NobleHelium]

Sure, it was discussed. You can pay a bunch of gold for C1 on your grenadiers. Whoop te do.

[novice]

Sure, it was discussed. You can pay a bunch of gold for C1 on your grenadiers. Whoop te do.

I think the point is that it makes the commando promotion more attainable.

[Commodore]

Sure, it was discussed. You can pay a bunch of gold for C1 on your grenadiers. Whoop te do.

I think the point is that it makes the commando promotion more attainable.

[Ceiliazul]

Seems likely that by the time you are building grens youd have better civics or settled generals to make up for the inherited c1. Even if not, paying unit support on a niche unit for literally ages... seems fair to me.

[NobleHelium]

Sure, it was discussed. You can pay a bunch of gold for C1 on your grenadiers. Whoop te do.

I think the point is that it makes the commando promotion more attainable.

This would only be relevant for GG upgrading of old swordsmen, and GG commandos are already a threat at that point regardless.

[novice]

It does bring the XP needed down to 17, 13 for CHA. (AGG does not exist in ToW). So you could do a 2-for-1 in some cases. But you would need a GG, yeah.

Another esoteric possibility is to get Theocracy or Vassalage before Machinery and mass-produce amphibious units. Seems like it would require pretty specific circumstances to be wortwhile.

[Ichabod]

I don't think Mack need C1 on his strenght 14 grenadiers to wreak havoc amongst the longbows and elephants his opponents are fielding (especially since Mack seems to have the same amount of production as the rest of the world combined).

I'm not seeing the big advantage of this strategy. You invest more to get just a little advantage over what a 2-mover stack could achieve (and, in some cases, like movement inside your own borders, a disadvantage). Why wouldn't you just go for Cuirs and Cavalry, instead of Commando grenadiers, using the upgrade money as research?

[dtay]

I don't think Mack need C1 on his strenght 14 grenadiers to wreak havoc amongst the longbows and elephants his opponents are fielding (especially since Mack seems to have the same amount of production as the rest of the world combined).

I'm not seeing the big advantage of this strategy. You invest more to get just a little advantage over what a 2-mover stack could achieve (and, in some cases, like movement inside your own borders, a disadvantage). Why wouldn't you just go for Cuirs and Cavalry, instead of Commando grenadiers, using the upgrade money as research?

Well, railroads make commando units an unholy terror, but I guess that's not super relevant if you're the tech leader and just getting to grens.