RB PBEM 2 - de Krill of Fronce

[Krill]

So, a possible deal of HBR+IW for Monarchy...

(10:13:13 PM) Yaz: Hey Krill
(10:13:17 PM) de krill of Fronce: Hi mate
(10:14:24 PM) Yaz: I'm looking at my tech tree right now thinking of where to go and I'd say I could probably do math for IW + some filler when the time comes.
(10:14:28 PM) Yaz: If that interests you.
(10:17:14 PM) de krill of Fronce: Hmmm, unfortunately I already have a deal in place for maths...
(10:18:10 PM) de krill of Fronce: Would you be interested in teching monarchy, I'd trade you for that
(10:18:48 PM) de krill of Fronce: I'd be willing to trade, giving you the upper hand on beakers recieved
(10:20:38 PM) Yaz: hmm maybe, it's a bit down the other path
(10:20:59 PM) de krill of Fronce: I don;t know of anyone teching monarchy, so you could probably get trades for everything else from it
(10:20:59 PM) Yaz: Are you researching alphabet yourself?
(10:21:04 PM) de krill of Fronce: No
(10:21:06 PM) de krill of Fronce: I am teching IW
(10:21:11 PM) de krill of Fronce: and HBR
(10:21:56 PM) Yaz: lol man alliances make this tech trading so much simpler rather than having to wheel and deal with everyone :P
(10:22:12 PM) de krill of Fronce: Yeah
(10:22:19 PM) de krill of Fronce: which is why I hate alliances myself
(10:22:31 PM) de krill of Fronce: I know I have to give you a good deal
(10:22:39 PM) de krill of Fronce: You know I have to give you a god deal
(10:22:56 PM) de krill of Fronce: Or it's back to the old Krill/sunrise situation
(10:23:49 PM) Yaz: hehe everybody is worried about you this game :P
(10:23:57 PM) de krill of Fronce: Really?
(10:24:04 PM) Yaz: Especially you researching all the 'war' techs early hehe
(10:24:12 PM) de krill of Fronce: Meh, others can have them
(10:24:22 PM) de krill of Fronce: They could even tech them
(10:24:30 PM) de krill of Fronce: just everyone else chose the peacenik techs first
(10:24:33 PM) Yaz: Yeah. I don't know if I've had a chat yet where 'that krill guy is dangerous and good' hasn't come up.
(10:24:45 PM) de krill of Fronce: Typical
(10:25:10 PM) de krill of Fronce: I figure I'm likely to get 5v1
(10:25:26 PM) de krill of Fronce: The only hope I have is that people realise that benefits some teams more than others
(10:25:36 PM) Yaz: Well I'm not going to team up on ya just because of your name at least.
(10:25:43 PM) de krill of Fronce: Thank you
(10:25:52 PM) de krill of Fronce: I'll try not to pull too far away from teh pack
(10:26:01 PM) Yaz: Smart move
(10:26:18 PM) Yaz: I'm just running through some math to see when I'd hit monarchy and get the stuff I want.
(10:26:24 PM) Yaz: Are you trading for alphabet with anyone yet?
(10:26:28 PM) de krill of Fronce: Yeah
(10:26:37 PM) Yaz: That coming from square leg right?
(10:26:42 PM) de krill of Fronce: Yup
(10:27:25 PM) Yaz: Yeah sounds like I better go monarchy. I'll tentaively say I'm going that way but I need to make a deal with him first before I can say for sure.
(10:27:33 PM) de krill of Fronce: Cool
(10:27:59 PM) Yaz: I think darrell is going that way perhaps though. Monarchy that is.
(10:28:10 PM) de krill of Fronce: I'm happy to offer you both HBR and IW for Monarchy, and, say, sailing, if you decide to go that way
(10:28:25 PM) de krill of Fronce: Hmmm, not sure if he is.
(10:28:36 PM) de krill of Fronce: I think he wants the GLH pretty badly
(10:28:45 PM) Yaz: He said he was working on a deal with you, did he get back to you at all?
(10:29:25 PM) Yaz: He's told me he's going to try and get judaism. Plus he wrote out a whole list of trades to square leg to me by accident :P
(10:29:42 PM) de krill of Fronce: Ha, yeah, sounds about right
(10:29:53 PM) de krill of Fronce: I think he wanted an alliance system
(10:30:12 PM) de krill of Fronce: and I'm pretty sure he wants Judaism
(10:30:52 PM) Yaz: yeah. He wanted to negotiate with me so I don't rush him for it. Which is silly. Either rush or don't, but don't let others know what you're rushing for hehe
(10:31:20 PM) Yaz: If I had wanted it I'd know to go all out for it now.
(10:31:56 PM) de krill of Fronce: Yeah, I know what you mean.
(10:32:07 PM) de krill of Fronce: BTW, you playing the turn?
(10:32:28 PM) Yaz: Yeah, just about to upload it.
(10:32:58 PM) Yaz: Nice to see that warrior move away from my border a bit.
(10:33:20 PM) Yaz: And here you guys were laughing at me for wanting naps early :P
(10:33:45 PM) de krill of Fronce: I'm happy you're still alive :0
(10:34:11 PM) Yaz: Yeah, now I need to work on relations with Japan. Don't want angry Japan on my border.
(10:34:52 PM) de krill of Fronce: Offering to make him a king would probably do it
(10:35:35 PM) Yaz: lol. Well I could always try to make use of my UU. But that may not go so well. Single spear pretty much screws that over.
(10:35:58 PM) de krill of Fronce: Yeah, Immortals are pretty hard to get a good rush with
(10:36:40 PM) Yaz: Yeah. You have to have planned it from basically before the game starts I'd say and then get lucky resource wise too.
(10:37:13 PM) Yaz: Of course nobody was thinking they'd even be this close to each other I don't think. At least not this close without water between.
(10:37:35 PM) de krill of Fronce: Yeah, I was kinda hoping I didn;t find anyone until t30 is...
(10:37:46 PM) de krill of Fronce: I always forget just how small the maps are...
(10:38:04 PM) Yaz: Yeah. I certainly wasn't expecting a warrior of all things on turn 8.
(10:39:02 PM) Yaz: Anyways consider me down for monarchy.
(10:39:06 PM) de krill of Fronce: OK
(10:39:29 PM) de krill of Fronce: Are you likely to get Sailing before Monarchy?
(10:39:54 PM) Yaz: Probably not
(10:39:58 PM) de krill of Fronce: Hmm, ok
(10:41:00 PM) Yaz: I can't say for certain right now. I'd need to add up the costs and see how stuff fits together for sure. I wasn't planning on going monarchy until 10 mins ago :P

[Krill]

Filling in the tech tree quite nicely right about now...I think I have everything in the ancient era sorted out...

(10:49:45 PM) de krill of Fronce: Your Highness,
(10:49:58 PM) de krill of Fronce: May you indulge me for a few minutes?
(11:25:43 PM) Luff_hi: hi there
(11:26:33 PM) de krill of Fronce: +
(11:26:35 PM) de krill of Fronce: hi mate
(11:26:58 PM) de krill of Fronce: I was wondering if you were heading for archery and sailing any time soon?
(11:27:06 PM) Luff_hi: which game?
(11:27:11 PM) Luff_hi: pbem2
(11:27:12 PM) de krill of Fronce: RBPBEM2
(11:27:14 PM) Luff_hi: no
(11:27:21 PM) de krill of Fronce: hmmm, ok
(11:27:24 PM) Luff_hi: about to finish sailing
(11:27:29 PM) Luff_hi: but not archery
(11:27:36 PM) Luff_hi: who do you think I am ... an AI?
(11:27:59 PM) de krill of Fronce: *shrug* talking about trading.
(11:28:07 PM) de krill of Fronce: You think anyone else is likely to tech them?
(11:28:31 PM) de krill of Fronce: You could probably make a killing with those two techs
(11:28:33 PM) Luff_hi: I am almost finished sailing
(11:28:42 PM) Luff_hi: not 100% sure where I am going next
(11:29:34 PM) de krill of Fronce: Well, looking forward to Alphabet, would you be willing to consider a trade of HBR for Sailing and Hunting?
(11:29:56 PM) de krill of Fronce: That's something like 80 beakers in your favour
(11:30:21 PM) Luff_hi: yes - but I fully don't expect to have horses
(11:30:28 PM) Luff_hi: but it sounds ok
(11:30:40 PM) Luff_hi: ok - i9nk that in! can you send email?
(11:32:18 PM) de krill of Fronce: Sent
(11:32:26 PM) de krill of Fronce: And I don;t know if I have horses either.
(11:32:52 PM) Luff_hi: I am crossing fingers for ivory
(11:32:59 PM) de krill of Fronce: But it's the only semidecent and semiexpensive tech I can pair with IW to trade to other teams it seems
(11:33:09 PM) de krill of Fronce: Yeah, thought that'd be a clincher
(11:33:20 PM) Luff_hi: what about IW?
(11:33:37 PM) de krill of Fronce: IW isn;t really enough for Alphabet, or Maths
(11:33:51 PM) de krill of Fronce: And you know no one is ever going to give me a break.
(11:34:04 PM) Luff_hi: trying to think what I can send your way for IW
(11:34:24 PM) Luff_hi: I've have the game ... let me look at the techs on my path
(11:34:30 PM) Luff_hi: if I can put together a path that is
(11:34:34 PM) de krill of Fronce: TBH Archery would be plenty.
(11:34:50 PM) de krill of Fronce: and just remember the favour
(11:34:59 PM) Luff_hi: hey - watch for me next pbem1 report ... I am pretty sure that Sooooo is just about gassed
(11:35:06 PM) Luff_hi: ok - np

[Krill]

I don't think Dreylin and I are going to be bestest buddies in this game unless there is a damned good reason to...oh well.

(10:55:25 PM) Krill: Yo mate,
(10:56:02 PM) Krill: Just wondering, but how would you like to chat about RB PBEM 2?
(2/4/2010 12:52:21 AM) Andy Jones: hey sorry, catching up on Lost season premiere
(12:52:36 AM) Krill: I don;t blame yiou
(12:52:41 AM) Krill: I was watching iit earlier
(12:53:06 AM) Krill: I was just wondering if you wanted to chat about hte PBEm at all?
(12:53:18 AM) Andy Jones: meh, not especially
(12:53:46 AM) Andy Jones: I'm still of the opinion that it's too early to be making anything more than short-term plans
(12:54:24 AM) Krill: You don't even want to talk about anything long term? Religions etc etc?
(12:54:39 AM) Krill: So far I've had at least one person come to me talking about missionaries
(12:55:26 AM) Andy Jones: lol
(12:55:33 AM) Andy Jones: I don't even know where you are!
(12:55:50 AM) Krill: I know, but the idea was somewhat intriguing
(12:56:00 AM) Andy Jones: besides, Religion is short-term for me
(12:56:14 AM) Krill: Going to POly/med?
(12:56:40 AM) Andy Jones: one or the other, yeah
(12:56:43 AM) Andy Jones:
(12:56:54 AM) Krill: Luckily I'm going for neither
(12:57:30 AM) Andy Jones: makes things easier
(12:57:33 AM) Krill: Yeah
(12:57:44 AM) Andy Jones: o'course so does being the only one o start with Myst
(12:57:59 AM) Krill: That's always fun
(12:58:04 AM) Krill: Not going for the Hydra
(12:58:31 AM) Andy Jones: Difficult w/o Fishing to start
(12:58:44 AM) Krill: Yeah, on an Archi map and all...
(12:58:46 AM) Andy Jones: plus I did that in PBEM1
(12:58:49 AM) Krill: Wheel is kinda useless
(12:58:54 AM) Andy Jones: uh-huh
(12:59:34 AM) Krill: Not thinking of getting the shrine early on then?
(1:00:08 AM) Andy Jones: well we'll see
(1:00:24 AM) Andy Jones: after all there're two of yo Ind guys out there
(1:00:39 AM) Krill: I know what you mean.
(1:01:09 AM) Krill: I remember RBPB1 and trying to figure out how to beat mhk to everything
(1:01:21 AM) Andy Jones: heh
(1:01:47 AM) Andy Jones: your old civ isn't doing so well these days
(1:02:10 AM) Krill: Exploit is a moron.
(1:02:13 AM) Krill: Nuff said?
(1:02:21 AM) Andy Jones: yeah

[Krill]

I've put 2 turns into BW, which I know think was a small mistake, but nothing special.

I'm going to swap to Myst, and then go: Myst>BW>med>ph>pottery

Builds go wb>henge (grow to size 4)>double slaved settler>something>oracle

WB is due in 7 turns (8 total). By that time the corn should be improved, 2 turns from a mine and one turn from size 3. I'm considering altering the above build queue depending on henge. As it is Paris can make 8 base hpt at size 4/5, and that gives me 3 grass forests to chop as needed. I want all of them to go into wonders, so I'm considering slaving out a worker first and then the settler, trying to get as much overflow as possible into Henge so I can chop the forests into Oracle. Either way, I think I'm going to chop one forest to henge and the other 2 into Oracle, maybe even the plains forest as well, although I'd like to keep that...nah, probably better to just slave the capital harder.

Pottery should take about 5-6 turns, so that is how long I have to build Oracle. That is a minimum of 60 hammers from production, so 2 chops is just about enough to build it in 5 turns. That isn;t the hard bit, the hard bit is fitting in Henge beforehand and still getting the settler/worker. With the amount of food I have slaving hard is probably the best answer.

[Krill]

Found Darrell, and finished research into Myst. Work boat due next turn, and due to size 3 in 3 more turns, size 4 in 5 turns total. Corn is hooked, and mine on the grass hill adjacent to the capital started next turn. Henge start once wb finished.

[Krill]

chat and screenshot from Darrell. We are now Island brothers...not quite kill them all and let god sort them out, but an agreement that we don't start killing each other on our "godforsaken" island.

16:09 Darrell: krill
can I assume I don't need to cover my worker or capital from your Warrior?
16:10 me: You can always assume that
16:11 Darrell: Hmm...that's not very reassuring
16:12 me: Well, do you know if the "continent" continues south?
Darrell: it does not
I have not explored to the east yet, it might curve out of my LOS, but to the south is a bunch of desert with no seafood
me: Hmmm, bummer
Darrell: I haven't seen a Fish, Crab, or Clams yet
16:14 me: Well, tbh with you there isn;t alot to the NW of your capital, just me on a peninsula
Darrell: we got f'd
16:15 Im trying to determine if Im upset or not
me: It's archi
this is kinda normal
get sailing and head for hte islands
Darrell: I know...but usually there are several decent city sites on the starting continent
There is a Corn site near your capital that will probably be nice
16:16 And I see some Rice north of me, but also the end of the line, so if there is no seafood its an unirrigated rice site
to the east, who knows?
me: Yeah, you may have to explore the east...
kinda quickly, too
Darrell: can I get a guarnatee you wont swipe my worker or walk into my ungarded capital? in exchange, I will send one warrior east and tell you waht I find
16:17 me: Yeah, I can agree to that.
Darrell: ok
me: I was just checking to see if we could trade maps pre paper
Darrell: I have a screenshot I can send you
16:18 me: Is there anything you want a screenshot of?
Darrell: Do you have AH yet?
take your time, I don't need it anytime soon
16:19 me: And you are size 4, right?
Darrell: yeah, hit size 4 and started a settler, due the turn BW comes in.
16:20 i wanted to snag the horse but I needed seafood for that site (and even then it would suck).
16:21 ive got no shortage of food at my capital obviously but the lack of seafood is a real issue
me: You could always plant to split off the corn. The desert hill 1E of the Horse.
Darrell: you read my mind
but thats not a first city IMO
16:22 I wanted something better...hopefully I have copper at the rice site . Or some seafood
you got a good second site in mind?
me: The rice site looks like a nice Moia city
16:23 Darrell: yeah, you can see from the bleed that the coast is rigth above it. If I am super lukcy one of those two tiles has copper. I like to plan for the best
me: Nah, my second city isn;t going to be a traditionally good city
Darrell: so far, me neither
me: TBH my second city is probably going to be a Moia city
Darrell: Where is your capital relative to the corn? when you send me a screenshot I'll try and stitch ours together
me: and split of food from Capital
everything else is jungle'd up the the eyeballs
16:24 Darrell: that's a good plan...whip overflowing as IND will work quite well I hope.
That sucks for now, but after IW you'll be cooking
16:25 okay...that hopefully doesn't prove problematic to our relationship down the road .
5 minutes
16:31 Darrell: sure
me: I'm willing to send you a world map, no strings attached; you did the same to me.
But I think that the two of us need to be working together quite a bit
Darrell: sure, thats fine...like I said I'll stitch it together and send backa composite
I said that pre-game
16:32 I say it even more now that we are neighbors
me: Yeah, but pregame there was a good cahnce we wouldn't have been in this situation
Now I agree with you
Darrell: true
me: if you don;t mind me asking, and just to make the composite easier to make
Darrell: Pact of Brotherhod?

Intermission with technical details for a composite map

(4:35:25 PM) Darrell: I think it is essential we keep our pact (details to be worked otu I guess) a secret. I think the first round of tech trades is a good cover, and we want to make sure as we continue trading techs to make it look bilateral.
(4:35:34 PM) de krill of Fronce: Yeah
(4:36:45 PM) Darrell: aright Im going to grab lunch...ill talk to you later. i might draft some kind of agreement up. im not ruff so it wont be pages and pages

[Krill]

Here is a composite screenshot for you all to look at. The lack of scouting Darrell has done is disturbing IMO, but I also seem to have lucked out with the best "land" in the game...

[zakalwe]

Nice screenshot, thanks. What will you be aiming for in terms of land borders with Darrel?

[Krill]

Depends on the amount of land he has to his east. I won't accept anything less than a city for the two sugars, and I might want to place it for the corn as well. As it is, I really don't have much land, all of my cities are massive on the coastal tiles. I think I got lucky on the choice of the Collosus...but I'm going to have to be fast with my settlers, and I'm planning 3 early wonders.

Something gotta give...

[Krill]

Minichat with Yaz.

(6:07:58 PM) Yaz: Other than that they're land grabbing gready murdering sucker punching blood thirsty uncivilized bastards? :P
(6:08:15 PM) de krill of Fronce: I wouldn't mind a screenshot.
(6:09:05 PM) Yaz: Screenshot of what? The bloody remains of my scout in the jungle?
(6:09:22 PM) de krill of Fronce: It's be nice or the combat log.
(6:10:52 PM) Yaz: I'll see what I can do :P
(6:11:32 PM) de krill of Fronce: While you re at it, posting screenshots of your explored lands would be pretty nice
(6:11:53 PM) Yaz: haha yeah I bet
(6:17:14 PM) Yaz: There, ss posted.
(6:17:30 PM) de krill of Fronce: oh, cool
(6:17:59 PM) de krill of Fronce: FIGHT TO THE DEATH!
(6:18:08 PM) Yaz: That's usually the way it works.
(6:18:29 PM) Yaz: Wish I hadn't tried focusing on growth now bleh.
(6:18:42 PM) de krill of Fronce: What, got a settler out already?
(6:18:55 PM) Yaz: No not even. But don't have things like archering or BW.
(6:19:51 PM) Yaz: No idea how this is going to go
(6:20:14 PM) de krill of Fronce: Want advice?
(6:20:36 PM) de krill of Fronce: Or you happy to figure it out for yourself?
(6:21:15 PM) Yaz: I may ask when it comes to the fighting. Trade some goodwill for some advice
(6:22:25 PM) de krill of Fronce: Cool
(6:22:33 PM) de krill of Fronce: Hopefully you have a warrior in your capital this time
(6:24:13 PM) Yaz: That would be embarassing