Pitboss 2 - Time Out

[ej801]

@ Jowy the problem is that I asume that banning them would tip the person in the spoiler forum that the info is right.

Is the game still going on.

If not it should be just no lurker interaction right now.
People could just continue to post in their threads until we can come back

[Jowy]

@ Jowy the problem is that I asume that banning them would tip the person in the spoiler forum that the info is right

Well the damage has been done, if we re-read our lurker comments and now look for a possible spoiler, we'll find it. Unless it's in KA thread since they get a gazillion comments.

[pindicator]

Basically this. I asked people to stop posting, and I then got told by one person that they wouldn't follow the request.

That's a lot of gumption, openly defying the game admin

[Yazilliclick]

Can always just change the password and email on the account so they can't log in to post but nobody wouldn't know they were banned. Would just seem like they hadn't posted in a while. I don't think that's really the route to go down though.

I think really it's just at a point where perhaps the community has grown large enough that the goodwill of the masses to follow rules is a bit much to expect (not that I've around long to see it, though it's grown a lot since I showed up). There's going to be enough honest mistakes and bad apples that things like this will come up frequently.

I think the better option (though a fair bit of work and maybe the board needs an extra admin to help?) would be that each team gets a subforum within the game's subforum where only they can post. Since lurker questions and interaction is important then perhaps a user group for 'trusted' users could be created that people get added to only after they've been around a while and they could also post in those sub-subforums.

[Dantski]

whoa, not sure where this came from

hope its not in my thread, I was totally gonna update it too!



that said, in the unlikely event that it was was in my thread you can just delete the offending post since I haven't logged into PB2 forum for around 12 hours

[T-hawk]

I'll say my two cents and then back away quickly:

A solution is not to legislate pages upon pages of rules and policies. We will always have newcomers who haven't read them, or veterans who either slip up or honestly think they're within the rules. Let's not adopt Bureaucracy.

"No Spoilers" isn't exactly the Prime Directive of Starfleet. We don't have billions of lives and a race's history riding on a non-interference policy. If a minor spoiler leakage happens from time to time, so be it. Just move on.

We've been having a wonderful time with these games. Krill, please don't ruin it in frightened terror of the tiniest hint from lurkers slipping in. If the forums get locked or restricted, then the terrorists have won. The status quo was just fine.

[VoiceOfUnreason]

That's a lot of gumption, openly defying the game admin

Gumption, I have in spades. Krill didn't (yet) have a solution that was going to work, and I volunteered that to him. He'll ban me for being uncooperative if that's necessary to keep things running smoothly.


I'm trying to find a simpler expression of Krill's guidelines, because I think broad general strokes of what is acceptable, and what is not, will be more effective than trying to enumerate specific cases.

It seems to me that any solution that is going to work for RB must allow that the audience can ask the players for richer reports (pictures, more details about a particular decision, more context in diplomatic reports) so that they can appreciate the game more.

That drive is balanced against the need to keep things fair for the players - ie, nobody volunteered for "Kasparov vs. the World".

This would seem to me to fit into two parts. "Don't violate the Prime Directive"[1], being the first - which from what I can tell is not related to the immediate crisis, but has been an ongoing concern?

And then the second I would characterize as "don't cross the streams", which is complicated by the fact that we have some people following multiple threads, and some people participating in multiple threads (I'm presuming).



My suggestion would be to ask the lurker community to self police. Eg Use the lurker thread as an initial place to question the contributions by spectators - if the lines have been crossed, PM a correction to the offender. The game admin need not become involved unless either (a) there is a violation that immediately disturbs the game or (b) the offender does not correct their habit.

Does anybody think that would improve things?


[1] Cross-post

[Sullla]

For the other players in RBPB2's reference, Speaker and I have absoutely no idea what spoiler this controversy surrounds; if someone posted something spoilerish in our thread, we missed it or didn't pick up on it. Honestly, I'm not really sure what's going on (?)

Otherwise, cut-and-paste T-Hawk's response, which summarized how I feel on the whole matter.

[Axiis]

fwiw I third T-Hawk's post.

[Jowy]

http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....stcount=26
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....stcount=27

This ^ Except, also ban anyone who intentionally posts spoilers even after a warning. Now, atleast to me, this doesn't seem like a big deal, so we should continue with the game. Just restore the forums to their original state, or keep it passworded and only tell the password to us players until the lurkers / admins / whoever have come up with an agreement.