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So, thus far nobody is jumping up and down with a 'pick me!' sign -- at least not unless we consider Germany's uncommunicativeness in a negative light. That suggests to me that we probably want to keep our stance flexible and not commit too heavily in any direction just yet until we see which actions speak louder than words. Of course we also need to grab supply centers so that might interfere with taking a relatively non-committal stance. If we decide we want to trust someone from the outset, we might be able to make more gains.
Or maybe this is all me being Captain Obvious. 
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So, if we aren't trying to move into Galicia, where does the Warsaw army try to go? Angering Germany = not a great idea. That doesn't mean we have to be NICE to Germany, but there's no reason to be threatening them directly yet.
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Cyneheard Wrote:So, if we aren't trying to move into Galicia, where does the Warsaw army try to go? Angering Germany = not a great idea. That doesn't mean we have to be NICE to Germany, but there's no reason to be threatening them directly yet.
The orders I sent to sareln had war-gal. I thought I posted them earlier? It was stp-bot, mos-ukr, sev-bla and war-gal.
I'm okay with a bounce there though. Agree we don't want to send it to Germany.
Another option would be the northern option, if we don't like what we hear out of England (War-Ukr, Mos-Stp). That lets us bounce England in Norway (or force him to support himself in), while still taking Rumania with an army if we want to.
But zed is right - unless something crazy happens we'll play it loose and see what happens after spring moves.
In my experience, it's fall 01 where you start to really figure out what's going on - spring moves and chat before fall 01 moves is pretty much everyone saying everything to everyone
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One question: in the end-of-year construction phase, are we allowed to disband a unit in the field and replace it with a new unit at one of our construction centers, even if our total unit count doesn't change?
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Zed-F Wrote:One question: in the end-of-year construction phase, are we allowed to disband a unit in the field and replace it with a new unit at one of our construction centers, even if our total unit count doesn't change?
No.
The only way you can disband a unit is if it is dislodged in fall (or spring I guess) - instead of retreating, you can choose to disband it.
But in winter adjustments, you can only build or disband, not both
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Email diplo dump - I'll respond when I get back home from church in a few hours so if you want to comment on anything, feel free
Germany
Quote:yeah you got us right - David is new to the game and I've played before. I agree that an early war in Silesia and Prussia doesn't benefit either Russia or Germany. Happy to DMZ those two zones and Baltic. As for Sweden, I'll just be honest and say we haven't decided what to do about it yet. Probably makes more sense to negotiate about that next turn if necessary.
Turkey
Quote:Greetings to General Secretary Joseph Regoarrarr,
It seems that Italy is rather peaceful, and he wises to eliminate the war-loving hippish Austria.
Sultana Amelia II of Karaman
Austria
Quote:Yo Rego-bear,
Hot like magic! Austria be down wit you, pimps foreva! Nobody gonna mess wit the best.
Ain't played the Dip before, but I be ballin' now! My advisers Hip and Hop been dropping knowledge.
Lemme break it down dude. You be saying you ally first come first serve, but homie I know that southern Satin Sultana been up in your biz from the get go. You sweet on her too or you frontin in the Organization thread? Cuz bro I hear the squalie. I don't wanna be set trippin unless you be lying! That turkey be prime, but only if you tru.
Galacia? I be moving in bra! As I say before, dun wanna get burned. No chance! No how! We can bump in Gal, we be cool.
Am-a-lie-a be trippin'. She coming for Bul and Gre. Dunno about her back end. But I know she want me, take her from behind dog!
Pop-a-lockin,
Lewwyn and his Dance Advisers Hip and Hop
Italy
Quote:
Exactly my thoughts
In the west I hope that england and france are not working together
for the east. Given the location I have it easier to attack Austria than Turkey at least during the first year.
How is your northern border?
France
Quote:I played a lot of online diplomacy about 5 years ago. Did all the countries multiple times and I like playing an outer power more then an inner power. And I don't like Turkey at all, though I did get some good results.
I'm working against an EG alliance as well, but anything you can add to that would be very helpfull. 4
How are your talks with Turkey going? Have you convinced him already to let you into the Black Sea?
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I'd be tempted to get rid of Lew just because I find his emails annoying to try to parse. 
But A-H seems to be in a pretty untenable position at the start of the game, so I'd imagine that they tend to get knocked about early in many games. I know in the one game of Diplomacy I played they certainly did.
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Zed-F Wrote:I'd be tempted to get rid of Lew just because I find his emails annoying to try to parse.
But A-H seems to be in a pretty untenable position at the start of the game, so I'd imagine that they tend to get knocked about early in many games. I know in the one game of Diplomacy I played they certainly did.
Yes this is not too far from my own thinking. I don't really mind people role-playing but I don't really like it myself, and it is at least slightly annoying
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Email to TUrkey
Quote:Exxxxxxxxxxxxxxxcellent :-)
So that brings up another point - are you interested in kind of taking our alliance to the next level? As I may have shared before, one of the keys to success in Diplomacy is finishing one's side of the board (usually involving eliminating one player) before the other side is ready. So, we knock out Austria (And a good chunk of Turkey) while EFG are still arguing over who gets Belgium. That way you can start going into the west med and I can start moving into the North Sea and across Prussia and Silesia with no opposition. If both sides "finish" around the same time, then it tends to just devolve into a stalemate.
So... how can we make this happen? One idea would be figuring out something else to do in the Black Sea than having us both waste a turn bouncing there. I do understand that this does require some trust on both of our sides, and maybe we're not there yet, but I thought I'd at least throw it out there.
The real trick with Turkey is forcing the Ionian before Italy has enough fleets to blockade it. So F Ank-Con this spring, and then Con-Aeg in the fall. Then in 1902 you support yourself to Greece while moving your new fleet that you built in Smyrna to the East Med.
I could move to the Black Sea if you agree (disguising our alliance), while with armies in Bulgaria and Ankara, you're fairly protected against me even if I wanted to do anything. Or I could just move F Sev-Rum while you're still protected even if I do double cross you. In that case, I'm slightly vulnerable to YOU moving unopposed to the Black Sea, but again, I'll have an army in Ukraine as well as the fleet in Rumania and could easily block anything you were to try. But swapping sides around is pointless this early - the important part is just finding a good ally and getting as far as you can. Sure, stabs happen, but people that stab this early generally don't get that far....
Anyways, just some thoughts - what do you think?
I mean what I said here 100% - if Amelia takes me up on this, we'll be a leg up on the rest of the board. Even if she let me into the Black Sea this spring, I'd be very unlikely to try to stab her in F01.
Now, if I can talk my way into keeping my fleet there into 1902, well that might be a totally different story 
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Email to Germany
Quote:Okay sounds good to me. As for Sweden, I'm happy to discuss it next turn - the only reason I'd want to do it now would be if there were specific things you do or do not want to see out of me in spring moves. Like I must order to the Black Sea, or must order to Galicia, or whatever. If you have no requirements / suggestions / other, then I will be in touch over the next few days.
What do you hear out of E/F? How does the west look to be shaking out, or is too early to tell? At this point, and things might very well change, I expect to bounce in both Galicia and the Black Sea.
They have been fairly quiet on diplo and if that keeps up, I expect them to be the odd man out in EFG, which is fine by me
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