RBPB3 - Gandhi of the Egyptians

[Krill]

Wow, I haven't been following to closely the past week or so. I see things have gotten very interesting diplomatically!

Yup...today I'm probably going to have to assign tech paths to individual civs, so just wait for that shit to hit the fan...

[Krill]

Chat with HRE. I'd like them to research HBR because that makes a double pronged attack on France much more devastating and will make France play more conservatively. HRE are amenable to that plan, but want Wheel after BW. Not unreasonable considering they have gold to plant for in their second city.

(3:05:17 PM) Krill: Actually this si the best place for the chat...if you have time. I just wanted to ask you what you would liketo tech next
(3:20:59 PM) DIM: hi srry was afk
(3:21:05 PM) Krill: np
(3:21:43 PM) Krill: I was just wondering if you had a source of horses to settle?
(3:21:59 PM) DIM: yes we do
(3:22:14 PM) Krill: Would you like to research HBR and Archery?
(3:22:30 PM) DIM: we would like to squeeze in TW before heading for those
(3:22:42 PM) Krill: You have the gold
(3:22:47 PM) DIM: yup
(3:22:50 PM) Krill: so that helps your teching speed
(3:23:14 PM) DIM: I just hope we can hold the fort until the barbs start coming
(3:23:29 PM) Krill: Well, chariots are good enough to kill archers
(3:23:32 PM) DIM: good thing it will be warriors
(3:23:36 PM) Krill: yeah
(3:23:51 PM) Krill: and if no one (or few teams) research archery, we'll see axes before archers
(3:24:07 PM) Krill: So, you are researching AH right now, right?
(3:24:15 PM) DIM: BW
(3:24:21 PM) Krill: but you have AH?
(3:24:26 PM) DIM: or we wouldn't have seen the horse
(3:24:30 PM) Krill: good point
(3:24:44 PM) Krill: So, BW>Wheel>HBR sound good to your?
(3:24:52 PM) Krill: *you
(3:24:53 PM) DIM: yeah
(3:25:07 PM) DIM: who's teching what?
(3:25:10 PM) Krill: OK, HBR is yours to research
(3:25:17 PM) Krill: That's what I'm working on now
(3:25:28 PM) Krill: IF we can get Rome they are probably going to do IW
(3:25:36 PM) DIM: have you met them?
(3:25:41 PM) Krill: Dantski has
(3:25:43 PM) Krill: Portugal
(3:25:47 PM) DIM: ok
(3:25:55 PM) Krill: So just setting up a meeting right now
(3:26:30 PM) DIM: still no reply from A4, I sent them another message asking them to have Carthage meet up with us
(3:26:45 PM) Krill: Hmmm
(3:27:00 PM) DIM: 4 man team
(3:27:08 PM) DIM: bound to be a lot of discussion
(3:27:15 PM) Krill: True
(3:27:36 PM) Krill: You able to send a warrior out to meet Carthage?
(3:27:42 PM) DIM: say i was wondering if we could do a worker.war chariot trade in the future
(3:27:44 PM) DIM: yeah
(3:28:02 PM) DIM: but I need to know where to head more or less
(3:28:15 PM) Krill: I have horses, but getting a war chariot over to uyou might take a while
(3:28:45 PM) Krill: Well, straight SW for 12 turns then head west.
(3:29:59 PM) DIM: you met them
(3:30:31 PM) Krill: Carthage? No. But I'm guessing he grid pattern holds to some extent
(3:30:41 PM) Krill: Korea and India are like striaght north of me
(3:30:50 PM) Krill: only 2-3 tiles leewayon the east/west axis
(3:31:07 PM) DIM: ok
(3:35:53 PM) DIM: you heading for pottery first i gather?
(3:35:59 PM) Krill: no
(3:36:08 PM) Krill: Mining (almost finished) then ph/Writing
(3:36:19 PM) Krill: no BW, no pottery
(3:36:51 PM) DIM: ah i forgot ph gives access to writing
(3:37:02 PM) Krill: AH helps with a discount as well
(3:37:32 PM) DIM: say each known tech by another team gives you 4% bonus right?
(3:37:55 PM) Krill: little less than 2%
(3:37:56 PM) DIM: to research said tech i mean
(3:38:08 PM) DIM: wow that's underwhelming...
(3:38:18 PM) Krill: depends on the amount of teams
(3:38:26 PM) Krill: more teams there are, the smaller per team bonus is
(3:38:33 PM) Krill: it maxes out at 30%
(3:38:39 PM) DIM: ok
(3:39:02 PM) DIM: I still can't get my head around wether India has TW or Hunting
(3:39:19 PM) DIM: They researched Agr after BW
(3:39:29 PM) DIM: and then it took them 9 turns to research
(3:39:51 PM) DIM: no way it would take them 9 turns to research hunting right?
(3:39:57 PM) Krill: Depends
(3:40:06 PM) DIM: what they went for gold?
(3:40:06 PM) Krill: they could have changed techs after one or two turns
(3:40:13 PM) DIM: true...
(3:40:15 PM) Krill: that would give you your head ache
(3:40:26 PM) Krill: might want to check how long it took them to research AH
(3:40:48 PM) DIM: oh well, I wouldn't know why they'd lie about it though
(3:41:02 PM) DIM: so they prob did
(3:41:18 PM) DIM: that would explain it
(3:41:37 PM) DIM: but teching AH two turns and then hunting seems odd
(3:42:00 PM) DIM: you have enough bare hills to mine?
(3:42:09 PM) Krill: change of mind, maybe they wanted to head for a scout, or archery...
(3:42:13 PM) Krill: yeah
(3:42:26 PM) Krill: All that is taken into account
(3:43:50 PM) DIM: you met anyone new?
(3:44:07 PM) Krill: Nopr
(3:44:14 PM) Krill: hoping to meet Ruff soon
(3:44:53 PM) DIM: yeah, we have a warrior about ten turns away coming from his east

[Krill]

And the rest...

(3:48:30 PM) DIM: if you're wondering why I haven't ended the turn yet
(3:48:41 PM) Krill: Oh, no
(3:48:53 PM) DIM: I'm waiting to see where morgan's warrior is headed to
(3:49:37 PM) Krill: Wise move
(3:49:55 PM) Krill: I think I've gotten Ottomans down to one of 3 techs
(3:50:21 PM) Krill: maths if they can agree to go max tax and wait until I gift them Writing, then they can go 100% and get it asap
(3:50:33 PM) Krill: MC, because they are the only team that will have both prerequisites
(3:50:45 PM) Krill: or Currency, because we'll need that fast as well
(3:51:07 PM) DIM: shouldn't we try to get both pre-reqs for Currency?
(3:51:29 PM) Krill: Depends, there are arguments for both
(3:52:31 PM) DIM: say if we're going HBR (which is a relatively cheap tech) how are we going to even up the trades?
(3:52:41 PM) DIM: *even out
(3:52:41 PM) Krill: Archery helps out
(3:53:13 PM) Krill: Basically
(3:53:38 PM) Krill: Alphabet, Monarchy, are 540 beakers
(3:53:44 PM) Krill: Maths, HBR are 450
(3:53:49 PM) Krill: IW 360
(3:54:04 PM) Krill: Aesthetics is 540 as well
(3:54:12 PM) Krill: Currency is 720
(3:54:16 PM) DIM: ouch
(3:54:17 PM) Krill: MC is 810
(3:54:24 PM) DIM: oucher
(3:54:26 PM) Krill: CoL is 630
(3:54:54 PM) DIM: when you discover Alpha
(3:55:21 PM) DIM: will you be able to trade writing and Alpha on the same turn? (or will it be like in SP)?
(3:55:31 PM) Krill: I'm not sure
(3:56:34 PM) Krill: if I can trade one after the other I will do, but I'm not going to gift Alphabet out to everyone. Need some control to stop civs from trying to expand all over the map to 6, 7, 8 cities and killing their economies
(3:56:57 PM) DIM: well, that's what i was thinking
(3:57:26 PM) DIM: but if you don't gift alpha, we won't be able to trade pottery for ex
(3:58:00 PM) Krill: Ah, I said to everyone. For instance, those that have the ancient era techs to spread around will get alpha straight away
(3:58:18 PM) DIM: ok
(3:58:33 PM) Krill: You are doing HBR, so you'd probably get Alphabet pretty soon
(3:58:43 PM) DIM: you can trust us Krill, you know you can...
(3:58:50 PM) Krill: the player teching Currency would get Alpha prior to starting hte tech, either way
(3:59:08 PM) Krill: So far I've not backstabbed anyone, unlike dsp, mhk etc
(3:59:30 PM) Krill: withholding tech that I paid for in PB1.
(3:59:43 PM) Krill: Then look at what dsp did with Arty and Elkad
(4:00:02 PM) DIM: bah I wasn't implying you were dishonest Krill
(4:00:22 PM) Krill: I understand, but this is what I'm going to tell them all
(4:00:25 PM) DIM: I was implying we might be
(4:00:30 PM) DIM: lol
(4:00:48 PM) Krill: Hmm, but we both want France dead, so I trust you :D
(4:01:04 PM) DIM: well, I've gotta tell you Krill, it is a "cunning plan"
(4:01:20 PM) DIM: but good plans have the tendency to...
(4:01:25 PM) Krill: disintergrate?
(4:01:30 PM) DIM: explode?
(4:01:33 PM) DIM: implode?
(4:02:28 PM) Krill: To quote the Matrix, there are levels of survival we are prepared to accept
(4:03:05 PM) Krill: Perhaps we can't get all of the expensive techs in, but I'm pretty sure we can get Monarchy, IW, HBR and Maths easily enough
(4:03:33 PM) DIM: you gonna get Ruff to do Monarchy
(4:03:35 PM) DIM: ?
(4:03:54 PM) Krill: Unsure
(4:04:03 PM) Krill: Monarchy is a tech that a lot of people want very fast
(4:04:08 PM) DIM: yup
(4:04:08 PM) Krill: I was consdiering Portugal for it
(4:04:19 PM) Krill: because they are Fin, and further along development wise
(4:04:28 PM) Krill: but
(4:04:42 PM) DIM: they need the prereqs
(4:04:43 PM) Krill: Monarchy is expensive, and Portugal are best civ we have o get Sailing
(4:04:54 PM) Krill: I can gift anyone the prereqs
(4:05:14 PM) DIM: well, if you can get anyone to tech salining...
(4:05:20 PM) DIM: *sailing
(4:05:21 PM) Krill: True
(4:05:52 PM) DIM: Are India really on board
(4:05:59 PM) DIM: they didn't seem convinced?
(4:06:18 PM) Krill: I think they have been bitten by alliances in the past.
(4:06:40 PM) Krill: regoarrarr/sunrise with PB1 constantly failing to put together a strong enough alliance against me
(4:06:56 PM) Krill: sooooo doing the 3v2 against Ruff and Dreylin and still getting overrun
(4:07:04 PM) Krill: so they really want a big Alliance
(4:07:17 PM) Krill: only problem is it's going to be hard setting up a huge alliance
(4:07:25 PM) Krill: and holding it together
(4:07:30 PM) DIM: yeah man
(4:07:30 PM) Krill: without the ability to gift gold
(4:07:51 PM) Krill: It's one of hte reasons I'm tempted to keep it fairly small until Alphabet is in
(4:08:00 PM) Krill: and then grab another couple of teams
(4:08:12 PM) Krill: Which is why I wanted a real fast techer on Currency
(4:08:20 PM) Krill: so that we can start getting other teams gold asap
(4:08:36 PM) Krill: Ideally the fastest did Maths, and hte second fastest did Currency
(4:09:16 PM) DIM: we should be around 20 beakers/turn soon, but once those Fin teams get cottages=
(4:09:21 PM) Krill: Yeah.
(4:09:25 PM) Krill: Boom, headshot...
(4:09:52 PM) DIM: are those rivers all around you've see
(4:09:55 PM) DIM: *seen
(4:10:20 PM) Krill: Yeah, I'm pretty sure that the rivers are infact only one
(4:10:23 PM) DIM: I gotta say, I kinda like the map
(4:10:28 PM) Krill: maybe an uber river and a smaller one
(4:10:37 PM) Krill: My only request would be for more food
(4:10:44 PM) Krill: everything near me is 4 food
(4:10:50 PM) Krill: except capital corn
(4:10:50 PM) DIM: bah you always ask more food
(4:11:01 PM) Krill: True, but I always have naff all
(4:11:09 PM) DIM: hehe
(4:11:14 PM) Krill: Dantski and india have pigs and irrigated corns around
(4:11:23 PM) Krill: I'm a little bit miffed at that
(4:11:31 PM) DIM: well they're lucky
(4:11:46 PM) DIM: we have non-irrigated wheat and plains sheep
(4:11:55 PM) Krill: that sucks
(4:12:04 PM) DIM: yep
(4:12:10 PM) Krill: everyone else had at least a 5 food grain
(4:12:16 PM) Krill: you should call Sullla out on it
(4:12:28 PM) Krill: Even when he balances the caps identical he gets it wrong
(4:12:32 PM) Krill: etc etc
(4:12:55 PM) DIM: oh well, gotta play with the cards etv
(4:13:01 PM) DIM: *etc
(4:13:39 PM) DIM: we have some prime sites we managed to convince Ottomans to leave to us
(4:14:02 PM) Krill: Lucky you
(4:14:09 PM) DIM: not you?
(4:14:28 PM) Krill: So far I've met one near neighbour and killed him. The rest I haven't reached yet or haven't reached me
(4:14:34 PM) Krill: Not a great record, truth be told
(4:14:56 PM) DIM: well it's early, and it's a big frickin' map
(4:15:06 PM) Krill: Smaller than PB1
(4:15:14 PM) DIM: ^prob
(4:15:31 PM) Krill: 64*64 TBG map.
(4:15:56 PM) Krill: Lakes is close to as tall and about 100 tiles wide
(4:16:07 PM) Krill: but more water means civs start further apart
(4:16:30 PM) DIM: well, who knows, maybe we're on a terrra map
(4:16:39 PM) Krill: hmm, brb
(4:16:42 PM) DIM: a whole new continent to plunder
(4:16:44 PM) DIM: ok
(4:17:35 PM) DIM: I'll catch you later

[Krill]

To Mutski:

Hi guys,

further to the chat we had the other day about the tech alliance, I want to ask you if you have any feelings regarding allowing Rome into the alliance? My personal view is that it would help everyone if we get over half of the teams then we are in with a good shot of going the distance with this group, but you having Agg Rome as an ally on your border would give you a strong local presence instead of being on the outside surrounded by teams not part of the alliance.

If you do want Rome in the Alliance, I think we need to discuss how to approach them. The best way would be if you could send their warrior east to meet India, and we can handle directions from there to the other civs. We would also need to maybe inform them of the tech alliance somehow to get them into it, but that might have to wait a little bit...but you should definitely try to get them as allies

Krill

[Krill]

Chat with regoarrarr. Was supposed to be an informal heads up, but my mind wandered (as it usually does in these matters...)

19:01 me: regoarrarr, are you sending a warrior west?
regoarrarr: i think so?
19:02 me: cool, because I'm trying to get Rome to send their warrior east via Dantski
Sooner you meet them sooner we can get them into an alliance
regoarrarr: okay
27 minutes
19:29 me: 3 teams to go btw, you DIM (Ilios will play in the next few hours)
19:30 and TMIT
9 minutes
19:39 regoarrarr: dun dun dun
19:40 me: When I don;t tell uyou of these things you tend to forget to play
regoarrarr: what do you think we should build then?
another settler? uber fast expansion? :-D
me: Do that and I'll be severely pissed at you
regoarrarr:
19:41 me: I suppose I wouldn't mind if you stopped at 3 cities
But you don;t have cottages
to grow
nor a commerce tile like gold
And you want the Wheel, right?
to get those chariots a rolling
19:42 regoarrarr: right
me: If you got a third city what are you going to do with it?
regoarrarr: build cottages?
me: without pottery?
get a third worker
19:43 you have pigs and horses to hook up
and you could always irrigate a bit and slave out later on with teh extra pop
and they will be river tiles so you'll get the +1 commerce at least
19:44 and you need 1 warrior for defence, 1 warrior to head west
so you might need another warrior
Your capital is what, size 2 now?
got everything hooked up there/
19:45 both foods need to be hooked, but it could probably do with another farm tio speed it to size 5, then size 6 and triple whip out a settler
sure you don;t have a granary, but what else are you going to build?
I suppose you could throw 5 chariots at Exploit and try to criple/choke him
19:46 but youi don;t want that land because it is too expensive to hold, but killing him early could help you long term.
couold build hte chariots on the way to size 6, then plant a forward city for that stone/flood plains
19:49 I should probably shut up now
19:50 regoarrarr:

[Krill]

Little bit of MM. I'm at 72/90 on Mining. I've set research to 50% so I'm making 7 base beakers and 7 base gold (so +4 gpt), plus the free beaker to give me 80/90 at the end of the turn, and the turn after to up it to 88/90. Turn 42 I up science to 100% and make 15+1 because the sheep pasture is finished, overflowing 14 beakers. Mining completes end of turn, just in time to start the gold mine, and I overflow 14 base beakers, which gives me a total of 15 produced + 14 overflow + 1 free = 30 base beakers, to give me 1 free beaker from the tech prerequisite bonus (30*1.2=36, 29*1.2=34 because it rounds down).

Not cool, not interesting, but eh, I'll take the free beaker. It also gives me 15 gold in the bank, just about enough to finish priesthood without another turn at zero science.

I'll get 36 adjusted beakers due to the overflow, and priesthood is 108 beakers, meaning I still need to research another 72 beakers. I'll be making a base 16 beakers on turn 43, which is 19 adjusted, and then pick up one extra commerce from the capital farm once it grows to size 3, so 20 adjusted, but either way it's a comfortable 5 turns to get Priesthood. It should complete eot t47. I'll calculate overflow for Writing once I'm close, but with a 1.4 multiplier it gets a little weirder to work out due to the gold coming online, the fact I need less beakers to finish Priesthood and that I need to run at least 1 turn of max tax to fund future teching.

Oracle should take 15 turns. hopefully no more forests grow... *touch wood*

[T-hawk]

Oracle should take 15 turns. hopefully no more forests grow... *touch wood*

Wood? shouldn't you be touching metal, like an axe blade or something, for that one? :neenernee

[Krill]

Wood? shouldn't you be touching metal, like an axe blade or something, for that one? :neenernee

Wish I had some metal. Best I can do right now is tanned sheep hide.

Chat with Mukha. Now, I'm not going to say it to him, but if they don't want Rome in the Alliance then I probably can't do anything for them, because India are much more likely to want to work with Rome, India taking out Sumeria, Rome taking out Portugal. That is something that I don't want to happen, but I can't really stop it from my position short of threatening to throw India out of the Alliance, and that is not something I want to do because I want to work with India.

5:37:11 PM) Krill: Yo mate,
(5:37:18 PM) Krill: did you get the email I sent you
(5:37:19 PM) Krill: ?
(5:37:28 PM) Willem Oranje: hey yeah i did
(5:37:41 PM) Willem Oranje: we were actually talking recently about exactly the same thing
(5:38:13 PM) Willem Oranje: also it's become a lot more pertinent just this last turn, as rome has moved a warrior to invade on the diagonal
(5:38:56 PM) Willem Oranje: we think it's probably best if either india, hre or yourseslf approaches rome
(5:39:10 PM) Willem Oranje: I think they'll just see us a despearate fin neighbour
(5:39:31 PM) Willem Oranje: but we haven't actually decided yet whether we would like rome in an alliance
(5:39:47 PM) Krill: Unfortunately none of us have contact atm, so you need to direct them east to India. I've asked India to move a warrior westwards towards you (and Rome) for contact though
(5:40:12 PM) Willem Oranje: ok, that's good
(5:40:44 PM) Willem Oranje: also we were discussing our tech options
(5:41:08 PM) Krill: Go on. I'm interested in hearing what each civ wants to do for Tech
(5:41:30 PM) Willem Oranje: it's a possibility for us to avoid wheel for now and research hunting and IW or hunting and HBR
(5:41:46 PM) Willem Oranje: you may have noticed that I tagged a fur in our territory
(5:42:04 PM) Willem Oranje: which is a decent early commerce boost, still jealous of your plains gold though
(5:42:14 PM) Krill: I'd rather have your food tile...
(5:42:18 PM) Krill: tiles, rather
(5:42:41 PM) Krill: OK, but as a fyi, India have Hunting, as do HRE, so you would be able to at least trade for Hunting.
(5:42:42 PM) Willem Oranje: well unless I have everything I'm going to complain
(5:42:50 PM) Krill: ha, fair enough
(5:43:05 PM) Willem Oranje: oh right
(5:43:40 PM) Willem Oranje: it depends how willing you are to share alphabet around in first round
(5:44:18 PM) Krill: Ultimately, I'll share Alphabet around so that all ancient era techs can be traded. I'm not going to stop teams trading for POttery, Hunting/Archery etc
(5:44:49 PM) Krill: But I'm not gifting it out to everyone for free, I still want those outside the Alliance to pay the maximum to research it
(5:45:34 PM) Willem Oranje: yes, I know that as part of the alliance we can give favourable deals to each other, but I would also rather have an agreement not to trade to those outside the alliance
(5:45:49 PM) Willem Oranje: i'm not sure if that was implicit in the alliance already
(5:46:31 PM) Krill: We're still in the stage of getting everyone onboard
(5:47:00 PM) Willem Oranje: Ok, we'll have to let you know what Rome ends up doing next turn
(5:47:23 PM) Willem Oranje: the move of their war this turn can only be for invasion next turn
(5:47:51 PM) Krill: Considering that we are looking for about 10 teams, and at the very least 9, I can't really move forward until everyone is lined up in order.
(5:48:02 PM) Krill: Are you doing anything proactive about Rome though?
(5:48:22 PM) Willem Oranje: for the alliance? no have not approached them yet about allies
(5:48:39 PM) Krill: And I take it yu have a warrior in the city (I take it that they are looking at your second city?)
(5:48:50 PM) Willem Oranje: yeah, that's correct
(5:48:53 PM) Willem Oranje: it's on a hill
(5:49:06 PM) Willem Oranje: so they don't really have good odds
(5:49:14 PM) Krill: Then they can see the warriors? They have probably already decided to not attack then IMO
(5:49:25 PM) Willem Oranje: yes that's what I suspect
(5:50:13 PM) Willem Oranje: I'll have to discuss with dantski what we want to do with rome
(5:51:02 PM) Willem Oranje: rome also has contact with the tech peddlers
(5:51:08 PM) Willem Oranje: that's exploit correct?
(5:51:18 PM) Krill: Ultimately, that choice is up to you, but you should be aware that India are the team pushing for so many teams in the Alliance.
(5:51:25 PM) Krill: Yes, Tech Peddlars are Exploit
(5:51:31 PM) Krill: Exploit is somewhere to you North
(5:51:38 PM) Willem Oranje: so hopefully they haven't already agreed to some sort of anti-alliance reporting
(5:52:22 PM) Krill: Considering that it is a choice between 6v2 he might be slightly worried, especially when the terms of the alliance are considered
(5:52:39 PM) Krill: but that is one of hte reasons you need to try and get them into an alliance early
(5:52:50 PM) Krill: if you don;t say anything they will form a counter alliance
(5:53:17 PM) Krill: get him on your side and make it look like you are just in a bilateral agreement then it makes it easier to "absorb" both of you into a larger alliance
(5:53:22 PM) Willem Oranje: yeah, we were hoping to contact them this turn one way or the other just need to discuss with dantski
(5:53:40 PM) Willem Oranje: ok
(5:54:14 PM) Willem Oranje: but in our contacts with rome are we free to mention others? perhaps depending on their first respons to a vague mention of allies
(5:54:27 PM) Willem Oranje: if they are positive we could then seal the deal by mentioning others
(5:54:36 PM) Krill: Probably best to not mention the major alliance
(5:55:02 PM) Krill: you could just talk about you want to get Alpha fairly quickly and would like to trade him Alpha plus prerequisites for IW and mayeb go bang heads
(5:55:17 PM) Krill: You could easily mention that India are to you NE
(5:55:59 PM) Krill: that wouldn't be unreasonable, because that way i can make India explore SW to meet you asap, before India and Rome meet, and you can roleplay it that you have met early in the game
(5:56:08 PM) Krill: or at whatever time in the game you think is best
(5:56:14 PM) Krill: depending on previous diplomacy
(5:56:37 PM) Willem Oranje: ok, well I'll discuss this with dantski and keep you informed
(5:56:49 PM) Willem Oranje: anything else you wanted to talk about?
(5:57:05 PM) Krill: Nothing much, but do you need directions to India?
(5:57:24 PM) Krill: If you tell me the tile your eastern warrior is on I can give it exact directiosn to meet India and anyone else for that matter
(5:58:11 PM) Willem Oranje: eastern warrior turned around, in case rome were going for a pillage, need to be able to double team their combat 1 war
(5:58:35 PM) Krill: Don't you have the cow online yet?
(5:59:00 PM) Willem Oranje: ah comes in next turn
(5:59:17 PM) Krill: Really? Wow, my bad, thought you already had AH
(5:59:29 PM) Willem Oranje: yeah
(6:00:03 PM) Willem Oranje: thtat's why I wanted to discuss the techs we have a choice next turn
(6:00:18 PM) Willem Oranje: to maybe go for something expensive but it depends what is going to be on offer
(6:00:30 PM) Krill: My advice is to save gold for a turn, maybe 2, using binary science.
(6:00:40 PM) Willem Oranje: yeah, we are on binary
(6:00:40 PM) Krill: HBR is being teched by HRE.
(6:01:18 PM) Krill: TBH, Sailing is a tech everyone could use, and no one I have spoken to has Fishing
(6:02:09 PM) Willem Oranje: i know that you and india share a river but we don't have much on our river that we have contact with
(6:02:20 PM) Willem Oranje: i'm guessing exploit and france
(6:02:24 PM) Krill: Nah, I don;t share indias river
(6:02:25 PM) Willem Oranje: are on our river
(6:02:34 PM) Krill: I share yours
(6:02:56 PM) Willem Oranje: i thought the river came down to your west?
(6:03:19 PM) Krill: I have a river north of my second city that goes to India
(6:03:34 PM) Krill: I have a river in my capital that looks to head NW towards you
(6:03:58 PM) Willem Oranje: yeah that one passes to our east outside borders
(6:04:05 PM) Willem Oranje: then goes ne through india territory
(6:04:12 PM) Willem Oranje: i imagine they will settle on it soon enough
(6:04:40 PM) Willem Oranje: the river that runs through our capital heads south, i'm guessing through french territory
(6:05:35 PM) Willem Oranje: well trade would be a big bonus to all of us
(6:05:58 PM) Krill: yeah, but we all need to defog the trade routes ourselves
(6:06:06 PM) Willem Oranje: ok, well I'll go confer with dantski. I'll speak to you later
(6:06:20 PM) Krill: so sending scouts along the rivers is a priority. Unfortunately, meeting the other tech trading partnwers is kinda more important
(6:06:24 PM) Krill: cool, cya
(6:06:38 PM) Willem Oranje: bye

[Krill]

Little bit of MM. I'm at 72/90 on Mining. I've set research to 50% so I'm making 7 base beakers and 7 base gold (so +4 gpt), plus the free beaker to give me 80/90 at the end of the turn, and the turn after to up it to 88/90. Turn 42 I up science to 100% and make 15+1 because the sheep pasture is finished, overflowing 14 beakers. Mining completes end of turn, just in time to start the gold mine, and I overflow 14 base beakers, which gives me a total of 15 produced + 14 overflow + 1 free = 30 base beakers, to give me 1 free beaker from the tech prerequisite bonus (30*1.2=36, 29*1.2=34 because it rounds down).

Not cool, not interesting, but eh, I'll take the free beaker. It also gives me 15 gold in the bank, just about enough to finish priesthood without another turn at zero science.

I'll get 36 adjusted beakers due to the overflow, and priesthood is 108 beakers, meaning I still need to research another 72 beakers. I'll be making a base 16 beakers on turn 43, which is 19 adjusted, and then pick up one extra commerce from the capital farm once it grows to size 3, so 20 adjusted, but either way it's a comfortable 5 turns to get Priesthood. It should complete eot t47. I'll calculate overflow for Writing once I'm close, but with a 1.4 multiplier it gets a little weirder to work out due to the gold coming online, the fact I need less beakers to finish Priesthood and that I need to run at least 1 turn of max tax to fund future teching.

Oracle should take 15 turns. hopefully no more forests grow... *touch wood*

And you know what? I got up this morning, playing hte turn as I got ready for work...and forgot the MM, mismoving my new worker on the grass hill, instead of 1S to road, meaning that I need Mining at the end of this turn. Oh well, worse things have happened to me before...

[Krill]

So, here is a graphic representation of where the known civs are. As you can see it is a 16 block square, so it is missing 1 "unknown" civ, and the locations I guess it to be in are the red circles (which is basically every where they could be).