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I don't remember what Jowy had left after the attack on Catwalk but I think it is unlikely he could have done better than what Catwalk offered. He has 3 surviving catapults plus whatever is in the northern stack vs. whatever Catwalk could draft in defense. Without collateral support, Jowy would just waste his units against the stronger drafted defenders inside cities with cultural defense.
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I agree that taking the surrender loot now is the best option for him, but it's also the best way for Catwalk to recover. Catwalk wasted huge amounts of time and resources in this war, but despite that is still far ahead of Jowy. All he really lost here is those two junky, foodless island cities, 2 wonder resources he's likely never to need again, and the pop from drafting. (imo the biggest loss) As the drafting unhappiness is likely only a problem with WW stacked on top of it (from the unit numbers he posted, I don't think he triple drafted any city), and since Jowy wasn't able to damage Catwalk's core, it seems very likely to me that in 25-30 turns Jowy will have to face the same situation, except now with his catapults and horchers facing off against drafted rifles instead of drafted muskets and maces...
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(June 25th, 2014, 15:03)Gavagai Wrote: Game is by no means decided yet. It looks like that Catwalk is out of the competition, at least for now, but BaII and Mardoc are doing pretty well. Mardoc is especially dangerous as he has more food than we do.
Do we agree with this in lurker land? Lib'ing Steel is pretty hardcore, and Gavagai, although he has his weaknesses, is at least *not* prone to sit around and just fiddle. Slow is looking pretty cooked...
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(June 25th, 2014, 15:20)Commodore Wrote:
(June 25th, 2014, 15:03)Gavagai Wrote: Game is by no means decided yet. It looks like that Catwalk is out of the competition, at least for now, but BaII and Mardoc are doing pretty well. Mardoc is especially dangerous as he has more food than we do.
Do we agree with this in lurker land? Lib'ing Steel is pretty hardcore, and Gavagai, although he has his weaknesses, is at least *not* prone to sit around and just fiddle. Slow is looking pretty cooked...
I dont know what other player are doing , if thye let that to happen, this shows again how strong freaking darius it is.
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I don't see how anyone else could realistically catch up, but at least Mardoc seems to think he has a shot.
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(June 25th, 2014, 15:25)Bobchillingworth Wrote: I don't see how anyone else could realistically catch up, but at least Mardoc seems to think he has a shot.

Well hmmmmm....

(June 25th, 2014, 19:35)Mardoc Wrote:


Depending on how the cities are actually looking, I might slip in Horseback Riding, Gunpowder, and maybe even some of Nationalism, though. If I really can't fit a university in anywhere, there's no point in being Edumacated. Wait and see.

Gavagai is gonna have artillery before Mardoc gets a unit with more than 10 base str.
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My view (take for what it's worth) is that in a tight game like this, if your advantage relies on a tech lead, you need to show you can take advantage rather quickly, and and it's usually far harder to attack than non-master players think. And it's really easy to screw it up. Especially with four or five neighbors who can react to the situation. And it's a temporary advantage, though by no means as temporary as with the insane known-tech rubber band effect in PB13.
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So, uh, what happened?

Also, rubber banding good nod
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(June 26th, 2014, 11:36)Krill Wrote: So, uh, what happened?
Gavagai vs. greens and veterans in perma-green land. It was kind of foreordained once he took over the heavy lifting for Zanth.

Mardoc and Gawzdak bear no responsibility, taking over for a promising but green guy and Azza, respectively.

Although, um, Gav, that's not nearly enough troops.
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(June 26th, 2014, 13:36)Commodore Wrote:
(June 26th, 2014, 11:36)Krill Wrote: So, uh, what happened?
Gavagai vs. greens and veterans in perma-green land. It was kind of foreordained once he took over the heavy lifting for Zanth.

Mardoc and Gawzdak bear no responsibility, taking over for a promising but green guy and Azza, respectively.

Although, um, Gav, that's not nearly enough troops.
yeah slow could kill that easily...
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