Do they know that we know that they know that we know that they know ...?

[pling]

Rest of T123

TEAM: Still in anarchy.

Menagerie: They got 22k power this turn from the graphs. Put that down as 2xBallista Elephant + 1xAxe.

Gillette: They got 12k power this turn from the graphs. That's 2k for pop, plus another 10k which I've put down as 2x Forge + 2xBarracks (a complete guess).

Pirates: Their pop growth was 2->3.

[novice]

Forbidden Palace sounds unlikely. Do they have the requisite courthouses? Moai, maybe? I think that gives 10k-ish power, too.

[pling]

Forbidden Palace sounds unlikely. Do they have the requisite courthouses? Moai, maybe? I think that gives 10k-ish power, too.

Yeah, I didn't like FP as a guess They do have some courthouses I think, they're one of the two teams that have their EP graphs increasing over the others.

I don't think it can be Moai for two reasons - first I already thought they had it (so that's only really half a reason, I'd be unsurprised to find I was wrong). Second - they got the score increase on T122 where there's only 4k of power unaccounted for by population change, it's T123 where there's 10k of power (Moai is 10k).

So maybe it's not a wonder? But I really don't think that 16 points can be pop either - because if it was then one of the four population they got on T123 would only be worth 3 points instead of 4, and that doesn't seem to be the case.

I suspect what this means is I've got something wrong somewhere earlier that's trickled down to an impossibility now

[plako]

Forbidden palace does seem highly unlikely. I don't think they've enough Courthouses to do it. I also think they had Moai already. Might be even a city we seen on their west coast. I'll take a closer look at this when I log in next time.

[pling]

Ok, none of us like FP as a build for them, I'll switch it over to 4 pop to account for the score. I don't think they have access to many national wonders, given the techs they have. (And there's not a world one in the event log.)

I'm pretty sure it's not a classical tech+1pop but that is the other alternative. Can someone double check I've not missed them getting a tech on T122 or T123? I did have a look when I logged on last night, but it's perfectly possible that I got confused.

[pling]

T124

TEAM: Nothing visible.

Menagerie: Double whipped something, grew 2 cities. Got 4k of power which I put down as a Spear (guess).

Gillette: Double whipped something, grew 1 city. Got 10k of power which I put down as Axe+Spear (guess).

Pirates: Grew their cap 10->11, got Metal Casting.

[novice]

Gillette have Moai in Dirk Diggler. Don't know how long it's been there, though.

[plako]

I think it has been there for a while. I tried to check techs also (not completely accurately), but I didn't find anything new there.

[plako]

Gillette: Double whipped something, grew 1 city. Got 10k of power which I put down as Axe+Spear (guess).

I think Gillette can only build Maces+spears not Axes.

[pling]

Thanks

Thinking aloud:

I had a skim through the turn report thread, but I don't think we have a screeny of that area between T96 (when I thought they built it) and now - the last time we cared about that area was around T85 I think. Wish I'd had a different sort of screeny for my T110 overview shot, but I did culture borders so no f/h/c icons

Looking at the C&D for T96 - they got 20 points, of which I can only account for 4 points through population (it's back at a point where I could tell what was going on with pop changes more often). There wasn't a World Wonder in the logs so it must be a National Wonder. And from the techs I think they had on T96 the only National Wonder available was Moai Statues.

(Just to check: Shrines are World Wonders, right?)

So I guess I'm pretty convinced that's what happened on T96.

I also double checked and I'm pretty sure they didn't get a tech on T122 (or since).

So given FP seems implausible, it must've all been population and somewhere along the line I've miscounted that (which is really very plausible ).