April 15th, 2016, 04:12
(This post was last modified: April 15th, 2016, 04:12 by GermanJoey.)
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Just why is REM's income so much better than taotao or dtay? Their city count, populations, and total land area are comparable... maybe some of it is because REM had captured a lot of mature towns, as mackoti was saying earlier, but a mature town isn't that extraordinary of a tile in this mod without Free Speech, when you think about Emancipation mines or watermills or whatever. Certainly not something that would lead to a 2X bpt difference. Maybe wealth builds could account for some of it, but surely not all. It seems like a civic thing? REM has Rep (pyramids, +3b per spec), Environmentalism (Economics, +1g per spec plus +1c on farms and pastures), Free Religion (Liberalism, +10% science), and most importantly, Mercantilism (Liberalism, +2 specs per city). Just looking at the free specialists alone, that's something like +500 to +900 beakergold per turn, plus whatever extra FR is bringing in from multiplying commerce (a couple hundred beakers per turn at least, I'd guess). taotao has merc and FR, but no enviro or rep, while dtay has none of the 4. What do y'all think?
as an aside, I really dislike super-Mercantilism at Liberalism. Lib is way, way too big of a prize now.
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He has focused on infrastructure for longer than taotao or dtay in the last 50-75 turns, as both taotao and dtay have geared up for war. REM's cities are, until very recently, all mainland cities that had access to worker improvement earlier and are better developed. But the biggest factor, I think, is Mids + civics, as you mentioned.
Taotao really missed his best opportunity to reel in REM when he had E.I. ready to go and could have alpha-striked REM's western coast. 4-6 razes would have erased any lead or potential lead REM would haev been able to develop and with naval superiority that would have been unquestioned could have forced an early end to the war and faced less reprisal than REM may have wanted to impose. REM is pretty pragmatic but taotao is too passive. I'll still be interested in seeing how this winds up but REM is in a very strong position.
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I'll be amazed if taotao isn't utterly screwed here. He's been a generation behind REM in military tech for a while now, and his mainland forces are going to be occupied fighting England for a while. REM's got as honed a killer instinct as anyone here, and now's the perfect opportunity for him to at the least contest taotao's substantial overseas holdings.
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I'm still not sure why he didn't go for me sooner. When England and Inca signed peace both of our armies had sustained significant losses, and I was no better equipped to fend off an amphibious invasion at the time than when taotao did attack. Actually it was worse then, Cuzco and Vilcas had like a single Quechua each. Now he's still behind REM in tech, has much more land to defend and has to contend with PRO Redcoats on top of that.
May 10th, 2016, 01:05
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To add a little more to the discussion of the late-game tech situation that started in REM's thread, it looks like the Industrial/Modern era techs are about 20% cheaper on average compared to what they were in PB18... the space race is gonna fly by.
And yeah, poor Taotao.  Even if he beats back Donovan, which seems likely, he'll now be far more vulnerable to REM, who will have fresh Infantry available to him soon on top of already having Cossacks. At the very least, REM now has carte-blanche to just spam factories and coal plants without needing to worry about any pressure from the Dutch.
I have no freaking idea why Donovan would try to attack Taotao right now and right near where his whole army is, rather than attack Borsche, who's behind in tech compared to him plus has all his army over near yuris/plako, but that's Donovan for you. =/
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REM and Donovan's defensive pact is interesting for Toatao - IIUC it means that the 10 turns enforced peace with Donovan doesn't apply to him, he just needs to declare on REM to invalidate it. Meanwhile Donovan can't declare until time is up.
It doesn't sound like Toatao is willing to take the risk with REM, so we won't get to see it. But if he could put his forces somewhere a first strike could do real damage to Donovan he might be able to roll over England. I don't really understand the front though so that's probably wishful thinking.
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REM is seeking for a reason to attack taotao, I do not think it is worth to give it him. Cossacks and Infantries can turn his life into hell and I do not think that DZ keeps his army outside od the borders to make it vinurable to 1-turn hit without making it look suspicious at least.
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Pretty uncommon and very fun situation: 4 players clearly ahead of the pack and #1 fighting #2, while #3 fighting #4.
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(June 23rd, 2016, 05:49)ReallyEvilMuffin Wrote: Thankfully DZ kept the war going for me also. Maybe it was a war to remove our DP? Hmmm...
This sounds like an "ally" who would contemplate taking a separate peace. AI diplo is endlessly amusing. :Lol:
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