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Thoth · August 13th, 2011, 09:33

Mardoc Wrote:Yeah, I probably should have used Raging Seas earlier; I was overoptimistic, I thought I could save it for taking out the city where you built the Mines of Gal-Dur. Obviously that never happened.

If I'd used it with Tsunami on the first turn, I'd have at least wiped out your stack in the remnants city and I might have been lucky enough to wound your frigate surprise in the west enough that I could have held out another 5-10 turns.

My two biggest worries were having you take either Golden Tipi or Golden Shanty. Either would have given you a very good shot at my capial with HAs or Chariots.

My Suprise Package worked out better than I had hoped. It was designed as a raiding party and I intended to use it to open up a second front to distract you from over-running my cities. As things turned out, I was able to hit multiple weakly defended cities on the opening turn of the war.

The big turning point was finding your Nox Noctis city defended by a warrior and a catapult. Hameh had 99+ odds vs both. Once I could actually see your units it was pretty much game over. wink

Mardoc · August 13th, 2011, 09:52

Thoth Wrote:My two biggest worries were having you take either Golden Tipi or Golden Shanty. Either would have given you a very good shot at my capial with HAs or Chariots.

My Suprise Package worked out better than I had hoped. It was designed as a raiding party and I intended to use it to open up a second front to distract you from over-running my cities. As things turned out, I was able to hit multiple weakly defended cities on the opening turn of the war.

The big turning point was finding your Nox Noctis city defended by a warrior and a catapult. Hameh had 99+ odds vs both. Once I could actually see your units it was pretty much game over.

Pretty much my whole problem was not having enough forces to cover every front, which is why both of those worked out so well. Defending Nox Noctis would have been straightforward if I had enough unwounded Stygians to hit your Mardero-stack with after Hemah worked his magic. Similarly, if I'd had enough troops to leave behind to either retake my cities from your surprise or to defend them in the first place, that wouldn't have worked. You did an excellent job of forcing me to use up everything I had, though, and to still have more coming behind.

I won an awful lot of battles, being able to pick and choose where I wanted to fight and use roads and Hemah to cover a lot of ground - but there was always more incoming smile

. If either Nyktorion had survived longer, or I hadn't signed the NAP and hence attacked sooner, I might have done much better.

Thoth · August 13th, 2011, 11:35

Yeah, resigning the NAP was probably a mistake. I'm not sure how much that influenced Nyktorion and WarriorKnight's descisions to re-sign but those extensions gave me the time I needed to get my toys on the board.

Most of the troops I used against you were new builds, not leftovers from the Elf war. IIRC, I'd only managed to get 1 Ritualist and a couple of Rathas repositioned when you attacked. Elfbane and Hameh joined the party a bit late, but Hameh was decisive. A move 5 commando assasin with Blitz (thanks to the Axe) plus C4 and Aeron's chosen is a powerful unit.

I did a *lot* of drafting and upgrading in the run up to the war. With WW through the roof thanks to the Elf war, I was relying on the Gold/culture slider to keep my cities productive. Even with Gambling houses and the slider sitting at 30% culture/70% gold, I still had some unhappy citizens. GLT had +15 unhappiness from WW the turn before I finished off The Tower of Eyes. My other cities were suffering from similar levels plus draft unhappiness.

Thoth · August 14th, 2011, 10:18

Thoth Wrote:I had a longish chat with Heisenberg last night. We discussed some very interesting possibilities that I'm not at liberty to talk about at the moment.

However, he did let me know a few interesting things....Hyborem spawned within range of two of WKs cities which were "guarded" by a single warrior each No wonder he was so quick to fire his WS. Also, it was Irgy who was agitating for a COW before I sniped Rosy....

Mardoc is heading for Hemah and is trying to get access to Ice mana. Water walking Hemah with Snowfall would be a PITA to deal with.

The full chat:

(very long)

TLDR: Heisenberg and I were discussing the possibility of a joint attack on WarriorKnight once Sanctuary wore off. I thought Sanctuary scaled with game speed (it doesn't) so we were looking at a t165 timeframe.

Koenigsegg · August 14th, 2011, 20:50

Were those Heisenberg's last words?

Thoth · August 14th, 2011, 21:51

No, we had a couple of email exchanges afterwards (posted earlier in this thread, see posts 623, 626 and 627) that saw us signing a NAP until t180. This was before WK wtfpwnd the Infernals and Heisenberg thought he had a chance of taking WK down with Infernal assistance.

I'd have been on board for an attack, but my NAP with Mardoc was due to expire on t170 and he wasn't interested in exetending it. Combine that with my certainty that a war vs Nyktorion was brewing and I didn't see much future in comitting to a 3 front war.

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