[SPOILERS] Lurkerloos and map discussion

[TheHumanHydra]

This exchange is incomprehensible to me. The video with the man with the burning eyes is funny, though.

/tries to lighten mood

[Boldly Going Nowhere]

This exchange is incomprehensible to me. The video with the man with the burning eyes is funny, though.

/tries to lighten mood

Kobe Bryant, known for holding a grudge. Nothing more or less implied.

URL check, yeah, I stole a .gif without permission. Copyright infringement!!! Someone call the MAFIA(a)...

But bigot? Ironic.

[Qgqqqqq]

I don't regard that as a spoiler Yosarrion, as it is simply informing that a game mechanic was mentioned a long time ago.

[TheHumanHydra]

Ah, ok. See, I was born in 1890 and don't know anything about modern pop culture. All I know is that tense exchanges in lurker threads make me Happy thoughts, happy thoughts!

[Krill]

Treating members of a community differently because they are different (ie new) produces a clique mentality; when you then assign newcomers fewer rights, such as banning them from community games for because they belong to that specific group, that's bigotry. If anything, I've always argued that new posters should be treated with respect, dignity, and allowed to integrate with the community: you're saying that the obstinate belief that this is the right thing to do is bigotry. It isn't: it's advocacy.

Also, I had no idea who that was in the .gif, nor what it portrayed: Basketball is not widely reported nor watched in the UK, so it lacked any meaning whatsoever to myself and probably most Europeans. Thankfully the URL explained it though. At least in the new image it's written in, even if it's wrong.

[TheHumanHydra]

Could I humbly request that this dialogue be continued in another thread? I'm sure it's important, but I'm not sure it's the tone we want for the PB8 lurker thread. Why don't we talk about the exciting events of this game here? For instance, do you guys think plako is right or wrong to delay his attack till Artillery? And do you think he should gobble up another smaller power or go for the throat of one of the big ones?

[Krill]

Can't judge without information on when Lewwyn and Bigger should be capable of winning via culture.

[Boldly Going Nowhere]

Preview edit: for the sake of PB8 lurkerdom, ignore the spoiler unless you want more arguments. No more about this from me.

Treating members of a community differently because they are different (ie new) produces a clique mentality; when you then assign newcomers fewer rights, such as banning them from community games for because they belong to that specific group, that's bigotry. If anything, I've always argued that new posters should be treated with respect, dignity, and allowed to integrate with the community: you're saying that the obstinate belief that this is the right thing to do is bigotry. It isn't: it's advocacy.

Also, I had no idea who that was in the .gif, nor what it portrayed: Basketball is not widely reported nor watched in the UK, so it lacked any meaning whatsoever to myself and probably most Europeans. Thankfully the URL explained it though. At least in the new image it's written in, even if it's wrong.

I'm not looking to get into a back and forth on this, as the issue is well and truly dead (as in, the outcome is decided and not going to change). That said, calling members on the RB team (a rather large slice of our site) bigoted, which itself is a very negatively-connotative word, is the very definition of bigotry itself. You self-selected yourself right out of that "clique" and I would say your lack of interest in the viewpoint of the deciding majority is rather intolerant. A milder adjective, one not connoting hate/intolerance in a different vein perhaps would be a better choice.

I think that, given that the CFC Demogame is a highly competitive game between sites, that allowing any person to come in off the street to sign up and join our game is begging for abuse. Prudent is a better word for that decision than bigoted.

Last word for me (I promise): I agree in principle that newcomers should be welcomed with open arms, with very few exceptions. This is the singular case that I can think of where it would be ok to exclude new members, for the simple reason that so many of our site's participants are putting so much effort/esteem/time/whatever into that game. To have all of that sabotaged because an opponent could pose as a new member to our forum would be a hugely unbalancing out of game advantage that we could never hope to counter. That would be terribly unjust to our team/members, and some caution against such abuse is rightly warranted. This is prudent caution. Would you decry a nation-state policing its borders and being selective of who is allowed to enter, for the purpose of maintaining the safety, property, and security of its citizens? Not all who enter mean you well. That is extreme for an entertainment site, of course, but the analogy applies. Elsewhere on the site, newcomers are free to come and go as they wish, as rightly should be allowed. We can let the newcomer enjoy our wonderful content, we just shouldn't let the new guy off the street into our vulnerable stuff.

Re: Plako, hard to say. He could probably eat Slow at his leisure now, as Slow seems to have mailed it in. But, he doesn't really need more land. An Alphastrike at a couple of Serdoa's best cities would probably win this at this point.

[Oxyphenbutazone]

I'm afraid Commodore's fatalism is not misplaced. Serdoa needs to launch a full scale, mutually destructive war with Plako for anyone else to have a chance at winning at this point.

[YossarianLives]

Sorry guys for derailing the thread. This is an awesome game and there is plenty to talk about without getting off topic.

That said, I'll go off topic one last time. I appreciate krill advocating for the newcomers and for pointing me towards team CFC (imho that is the team that works better for me personally, anyways). I definitely understand and respect the RB decision to limit team approvals, the reasoning makes complete sense.I think that was the general feeling amongst all the new members who didn't make the team. I agree with q that the post he made wasn't too spoilerish, but it did get my mind wondering what was happening 50 turns ago. I barely post here but read lots of threads, so just wanted to give a friendly reminder that I'm here.

As for this game, all I can say is that I am immensely impressed and appreciative of the great threads being maintained by all the players, especially pin/scooter and Commodore. RB is an amazing community and I'm very glad to have found it.

Ok, back to lurking.