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Rebalancing Civ4: RtR Mod

#931
December 2nd, 2012, 21:00
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(December 2nd, 2012, 20:50)pindicator Wrote: How hard would it be to add in the two missing leaders to RB Mod? (PHI/IND and CHA/CRE). Considering we always use random civ/leader combos I dont' think it matters too much which civ we attach them to.

What about Org/Pro? If you're going to add Phi/Ind; I'd say adding Org/Pro, even with the RB boosts, isn't overpowered.
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December 2nd, 2012, 21:44
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(December 2nd, 2012, 20:50)pindicator Wrote: How hard would it be to add in the two missing leaders to RB Mod? (PHI/IND and CHA/CRE). Considering we always use random civ/leader combos I dont' think it matters too much which civ we attach them to.

I'm not sure if any of us on the project have any experience with dealing with the graphics side of things: it wouldn't be right to do it without having a new character to put it behind. If anyone has suggestions for:
1) Leaders that would work
2) Any idea how to add new leaders, including their graphics?
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#933
December 2nd, 2012, 23:01
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Well IND/PHI is obviously Mackoti. Of the Greeks, naturally lol
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December 2nd, 2012, 23:03
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its ridiculous to say PHI/IND would be overpowered... in bts, would any of you pick it over FIN/EXP, EXP/CRE, Fin/CRE? or in rbmod, would you pick it over SPI/anything?

there was a case for leaving it out in vanilla, but the significant buffs to golden ages and other changes in the game make it much less dangerous, etc. It should have been added by firaxis in warlords, or at least BTS.
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December 3rd, 2012, 03:19
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I'd consider it over any of those except Fin/Exp, IDK about RB Mod since it's been a long time since I've looked at it.
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December 3rd, 2012, 03:25
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(December 2nd, 2012, 23:01)pindicator Wrote: Well IND/PHI is obviously Mackoti. Of the Greeks, naturally lol

I don't know if he really fits the traits but Philip II could easily be a third Greek leader.
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December 3rd, 2012, 03:33
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This is a multiplayer mod, right? So they don't really need leader-heads, as you never see those in multiplayer (maybe just a graphic though).

(December 2nd, 2012, 21:44)Cyneheard Wrote:
(December 2nd, 2012, 20:50)pindicator Wrote: How hard would it be to add in the two missing leaders to RB Mod? (PHI/IND and CHA/CRE). Considering we always use random civ/leader combos I dont' think it matters too much which civ we attach them to.

I'm not sure if any of us on the project have any experience with dealing with the graphics side of things: it wouldn't be right to do it without having a new character to put it behind. If anyone has suggestions for:
1) Leaders that would work
2) Any idea how to add new leaders, including their graphics?

This OTOH is a great idea.
Its RB's mod, so use it to honour Mackoti, Kyan etc.
This way you don't even need to tie them to civs - just leave them available for unrestricted leader games.
If you go with this, the graphic (for unit screen etc.) could just be their avatars.

(December 2nd, 2012, 23:01)pindicator Wrote: Well IND/PHI is obviously Mackoti. Of the Greeks, naturally lol
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December 3rd, 2012, 03:36
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Leaders have to belong to a civ I believe.
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December 3rd, 2012, 03:38
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I would be REALLY surprised if there isn't already a simple mod that just adds the missing trait combinations with leaderheads. Go look on CFC.
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December 3rd, 2012, 21:33
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Well I couldn't find anything.
I mean there's pleanty that also have those traits, but when they're also bandying around Advventurous, Airborne and so on its hard to sort the gems from the fluff.
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