[SPOILERS] Lurkerloos and map discussion

[WilliamLP]

In a position like this, this late in the game, how much does being spoiled matter, really? Do we really know that much more about the state of the the world right now than Serdoa himself?

[Rowain]

In a position like this, this late in the game, how much does being spoiled matter, really? Do we really know that much more about the state of the the world right now than Serdoa himself?

Yes for example you know that Xenu is planning (and in position) to declare war on Zulu and raze 1-3 cities.

[Qgqqqqq]

Or that Serdoa was planning to hit Bigger, or you know precise stuff about plakoian tech rate, or you know pindicaters state of despair/plans to make a mark, or you know how well defended cities might be...
Heaps of stuff.

[Krill]

novice, I think that diplo victory is still enabled, but unsure if anyone can reach Radio to build the UN. Sloww won't go in the direction, plako is focussed on killing Bigger and Serdoa...OK, Serdoa might do it.

I was actually referring to Bigger "losing by diplo" since everybody is in effect telling Plako he can deal with the CV attempt without fear.

I didn't think about the UN.

I don't think Bigger's CV attempt was ever going to work, but yeah games should have a concession mechanic à la the one used in 47 and 49.

What I meant was that Serdoa might actually tech to Radio and build the UN so that Plako could win a diplo victory. I don't think anyone else would consider it or have that capability.

[Oxyphenbutazone]

I am so very glad I deleted my army and navy

Well I guess that settles that

At what point will this stuff start to detract from the legacy of this otherwise amazing game?

[Nicolae Carpathia]

When we've learnt a valuable lesson: when people say a game is over and are no longer having fun, then it's over. Games are social things, as much as I like romps and stomps, you need someone else to play against.

I'm not totally in favour of banning cultural victories, as that was brilliant what happened in PB6. But beyond that, cultural victories are only viable when someone is trying to cherry-tap the opposition.

[Krill]

Yeah, I think if I play in the next PB I might ask to ban CV.

[Oxyphenbutazone]

I think that if Serdoa and Commodore had started really trying, they could have a longshot at victory, though it would probably require some luck and minor on Plako's part. At this point it feels like a self-fulfilling prophecy- Everyone claims the game is a farce, and then they turn it in to one.

[Gaspar]

When we've learnt a valuable lesson: when people say a game is over and are no longer having fun, then it's over. Games are social things, as much as I like romps and stomps, you need someone else to play against.

I'm not totally in favour of banning cultural victories, as that was brilliant what happened in PB6. But beyond that, cultural victories are only viable when someone is trying to cherry-tap the opposition.

We never learn this lesson. There are other games that had the same kind of endgame. Different reasons, but same style. As long as someone wants to keep playing, then it is very hard to end games.

The thing is, and not for nothing, but honestly - wouldn't it just be easier if the guys who felt the game was over just mashed enter after doing general maintenance on their civ? I get how much a game sucks towards the end in terms of time for civ management, but if you basically just play it like a SP game on autopilot, I'd think you'd be fine.

It doesn't matter though - this is the consequence of Civ4. Civ4 is a game that is decided by the Renaissance and can't be won in most cases until Modern. What the devil does with those idle hands in between is the real issue.

[Krill]

I think it's reached a point where the game has to end regardless of what Bigger et al want. I suppose Bigger might bitch and say he never lost the game but frankly I think most people in this community don't care about actually winning a game, and know it was lost anyway.