Technology Trees

[Sareln]

I'm not certain I understand what the point of having a dynamic tech tree would be for Civ or FFH. As I understand it, it's relevant for Elemental because it is semi-random what techs you can get, which isn't the case in Civ. Am I missing something here?

I want to expand the functionality FfH added for agnostic civs/leaders into Civilization specific technologies. Getting a dynamic tech tree system in place is an initial step towards this, plus it's just cool .

Right now, I could do it, but the resulting tech tree would be a mess, as I would have to place every technology by hand, and if you didn't have access to a tech, you would still be able to see it (marked red), making it difficult for mod-modders to come by later and add on to the design. Doing it "right" the first time will hopefully save a lot of work later on.

The immediate result for Fall From Heaven should be a smaller tech tree for agnostic civs and leaders by stripping out the religion founding technologies from their trees.

[Krill]

I want to expand the functionality FfH added for agnostic civs/leaders into Civilization specific technologies. Getting a dynamic tech tree system in place is an initial step towards this, plus it's just cool .

Right now, I could do it, but the resulting tech tree would be a mess, as I would have to place every technology by hand, and if you didn't have access to a tech, you would still be able to see it (marked red), making it difficult for mod-modders to come by later and add on to the design. Doing it "right" the first time will hopefully save a lot of work later on.

The immediate result for Fall From Heaven should be a smaller tech tree for agnostic civs and leaders by stripping out the religion founding technologies from their trees.

Plus it would be really cool to play a game of BtS or FfH with random techs deleted.

[Caustic Soda]

@Sareln: That makes sense, having techs you can't research show up is a waste of space.
@Krill: I don't particularly like adding an extra random factor, so that wouldn't be a positive for me. If the option existed to disable random events (like in AC) then I'd probably play with it on every game.

[xenin]

Just a small note: if possible you probably want some option to swap views between the basic tech tree (with unresearchable stuff for you in red) and your personalised one, since I suspect people will often want to be able to check, say, what options their opponents have.

[Sareln]

Just a small note: if possible you probably want some option to swap views between the basic tech tree (with unresearchable stuff for you in red) and your personalised one, since I suspect people will often want to be able to check, say, what options their opponents have.

Noted. Marked.

I worked through 2 steps of the algorithm by hand (the authors recommend 24) to make sure I understood what was going on in each step. Here are the results:

Before:


After:


I missed D2 when removing dummy nodes, just pretend that it's not there mmkay?

[Sareln]

Necroing the Thread. Because I have an Excel Spreadsheet with VBA that does auto-place and route fairly well on the Fall From Heaven (Paring Mod) tech tree

I'll do a writeup on the general process at some point, but for now feel free to play with it. It takes about 2 seconds on my computer to do the whole thing.

Auto Place & Route

Note: The spreadsheet will place techs in ranks based on both AND and OR requirements, but will only rearrange and draw lines for OR requirements.