[Spoilers] GES, Roland & Friends (Mansa of Egypt)

[Gold Ergo Sum]

Longish chat about dot-mapping w/ Luddite:

Luddite: so you finally got a seafod

me: yeah, about damn time
in a scrubby spot
the question is how to dotmap that northern coast

Luddite: gives you a nice plains sillk

me: I think I am going to need to split each sheep off to a city to the right and left of my capital. Without seafood, otherwise, they grow like shit

Luddite: i think in the long term the capital will need the sheep, but splitting them would be good in the early game

me: Yeah, I think you have to to grow those cities
and then take them away midgame
Just dont ever whip them
I have to found those cities
I am financial
I cannot waste that much coast

Luddite: yeah
i'd still prioritize grassland cottage over coast though

me: Sure, I am just saying, I should be parking population there eventually. ignoring it or founding one off the coast is a terrible idea
Jkaen suggested that plains hill which brings in pig/corn/horse, which would be a monster city, but might be TOO monster
I might should use that corn and pig at different cities

Luddite: i think it's just hard to tell right now
with so little of the map explored it's hard to make a good dotmap\
but i'm inclined to agree with jkaen about settling on that plains hill first

me: Well, I know enough about the northern coast to know there will be 1-2 cities that lack seafood up there if I found coastal

Luddite: you could always split off the corn later

me: just seems like a single player plant to me
no over lapping tiles
no food sharing
like five tiles away from capital

Luddite: well how about this
we settle that plains hill
then, at some point in the future, we also wettle the plains hill 3N 1W of the capital
and the desert above the silk
that would work the whole northern coast
and help develop the capital

me: I think the debate would be whether to settle that plains hill
which would force us to plant the river grass for another northern city to share the sheep on the east coast
(assuming no food in the fog over there)
or plant the grass hill and the shitty plains tile

Luddite: which grass hill?'

me: GH 1W of the plains hill (northern coast plains hill)
then we could plant 3E on plains
instead of 3E on river grass
and still get the river sheep for growth
again, assuming no fogged food in the NE
sorry 3E on the plains

me: iI think that corn can definitely be split off later if need be
probably not the pig

Luddite: yeah
hmm ok yeah settle on the grass hill and the plains

me: Yeah, I hate to waste river grass with a FIN leader

Luddite: yep

me: I suspect Gaspar might fuck us on happy, so I am not planning on having cities above size 15 for a while
But I think all the starts are basically identical
the demos are too uniform
but I think I have one more flood plain or less forest or something
right?

me: due to the discrepancy in health

Luddite: all you can really tell from the demos is that eveyone is settled on a plains hill and woring a 3 food tile
most likely identical but no way to be sure, yet

me: yeah, true

TL;DR: Jkaen's idea to settle the plains hill is probably correct, although the corn should be shared. Eventually, we will plant on the grasshill 3N-2W of the capital and then 3E on the shitty plains tile from there. Each of those cities can share one of the sheep for growth.

[Gaspar]

You sure blame me for a lot of stuff, GES. I hope you get happier with this map before I go to war in PB4 (if I go to war).

[Gold Ergo Sum]

You sure blame me for a lot of stuff, GES. I hope you get happier with this map before I go to war in PB4 (if I go to war).

I need a scapegoat for my (future) terrible play.

[Gold Ergo Sum]

Turn 10:

Demos:

Someone, presumably Lewwyn with the only EXP leader, is working a 6-food tile (I wish I had one) and a three food tile after he grew EOT.

[Gold Ergo Sum]

Turn 11:

Mining finished, onto BW due in 8. Almost decided to put us onto Pottery, but since the plan right now is to not whip the capital, I don't need a super quick granary at the capital. But I would like to know where copper pops for dot-mapping.

Corn farm finished.

Western scouting:

Definitely tundra forest:

Demos:

[Gold Ergo Sum]

Turn 12:

Decision was between pasturing the river sheep first for 4 extra commerce and wasting the worker turn, or putting a turn onto a grass cottage on the way to the non-river sheep. I decided to pasture the river sheep.

Western scouting:

Looks like two coastal tiles to the south of the warrior.

Demos:

Is someone working only a four food tile without growing yet?

[luddite]

Slightly bad call to waste the worker turn. Remember the city will grow to size 3 in just 3 turns, and then it will be working both sheep so it'll get the river commerce anyway.

I guess this means that the starts aren't identical. I'm very suprised that one person (especially an expansive leader) would get a 6 food tile while most people it seems just have 5 food tiles. Hopefully the mapmaker balanced that out with other stuff.

The person with 6 food is probably the same person with 3 mfg. They could be working a sheep pasture tile and building a second worker. That would also explain why someone is still at pop 1.

[Gold Ergo Sum]

Slightly bad call to waste the worker turn. Remember the city will grow to size 3 in just 3 turns, and then it will be working both sheep so it'll get the river commerce anyway.

I had this discussion with Krill. We figured I am unlikely to work the non-river grass cottage for quite a number of turns, so might as well pick up the 4 extra commerce. Maybe it shaves a turn off of a tech at some point. But I could've easily gone the other way.

[luddite]

Nevermind, you're correct. I was thinking you'd be working both sheep tiles, but I guess you can work the flood plains instead of unimproved sheep to get the extra commerce.

[Gold Ergo Sum]

Turn 13:

Second warrior finished and out scouting.

Exploring:

Demos: