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Well as long as I is playing vulture rather than actually helping against A, we are probably toasty.
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My first plan is to offer to "toady" / "vassalize" to Austria. I don't see any better options. If we can keep Sev and fend for ourselves in Turkey we might be able to pull off a miracle.
I don't see any other options. When you're going down on multiple fronts, you can't fight on all of them - you gotta cut a deal on one of em
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Okay here we go - email to Lewwyn
Quote:Hi Lewwyn,
So.... it comes to this.
I have no further chance in this game (or at the most a very slim one). As it is impossible in this game (like Civ!) to fight on multiple fronts, I can only choose to fight on one. So, after looking at my options, as well as my relationships with the folks in this game, I have decided to side with you.
I put my units more or less on your command - do with them what you want. While I realize that I don't have much sway, it would be my preference to keep Sev and what I can fight for in Turkey (possibly with your help). But if you don't want that that's fine.
Walk into Moscow or St. Pete if you want. You've got spring to give me orders and then play cautious and wait till fall to give me more trust that I'm doing what I say I will (or what you say I will).
What do I bring, you might ask? #1 - you can have my centers whenever you want. It may make sense to keep them under Russian control while I move my units to the front (empty so you can take them whenever you want), but that's up to you. #2 - I have another southern fleet which you are short on (another army this winter I see). Sure Italy has fleets but he's going to want to be more of an equal with you - I'm more vassaly. #3 - if you want, I have a northern port that can harass Germany, if/when you feel that's appropriate
So there you have it - that's my sales pitch. My units are yours to command - let me know what you want
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Chat with Lewwyn
Quote:Lewwyn: so what did you have in mind for vassally
I am not going to let you run around with 5 armies or something like that
Me: whatever you want
my thought was to keep sev and some fleets
and move them west
but whatever you want
Lewwyn: the issue for me is that eventually I'm just going to want all your SCs anyway
Me: sure
that's fine
i'd ask that you help me to some others
italies maybe
or germanys
Lewwyn: well your fleets in The south are gonna be pretty blocked up
Me: how so
Lewwyn: Italy already has 2 fleets there
well I'm going to move into moscow next turn
I was thinking of maybe having you move into rum
Me: well how tied are you to italy?
Lewwyn: then pushing you out in the fall
Me: his moves seem kind of erratic
Lewwyn: make it look like I'm having trouble
Italy and I struck a bit of bargain
though I agree his movements in the west have been erratic
Me: well what's the bargain?
is it getting you closer to win?
Lewwyn: I get all turkey he gets greece
so really I don;t see your fleets in the south going west
North is a different story
Me: why not?
let's take out italy
Lewwyn: yeah not gonna go for that right now
Me: doesn't seem like you have room for 2 vassals
Lewwyn: 2 vassals in the south you mean
pretty much I'll leave you sev and Stp and you'll have the fleet and army in the north
if you can take Swe you can build in the north
That's pretty much the option I'll give you
Me: ok
what do you want me to move this turn
Lewwyn: Stp - bot, mos - Stp for starters
Sev hold, Con - ank, Bla hold
Me: ok
Blah. I'm thinking we offer Uberfish a chance at our units instead?
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Well, the catch with UF is he's going to, uh, just let Austria swallow us alive.
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Cyneheard Wrote:Well, the catch with UF is he's going to, uh, just let Austria swallow us alive.
What if we offered to vassalize ourselves to him? Might work? Dunno but I'm running out of options and Austria's offers stanks
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The question is, how much will Germany try to help us? Yeah, he wants Austria to only win slowly, but what can he do to slow them down?
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Chat with Rowain this morning, this is...hm...interesting.
Quote:Rowain: Hi Are you in charge of Russia or is rego back already?
me: Rego's back, but I can usually speak for us. I've got about 10-15 minutes. he'll be a while
Rowain: Ok. Does it make sense to talk with Russia any longer or are you firmly in Lewwyns pocket now?
me: We have not surrendered to Lewwyn, nor are we planning to.
Rowain: I have heard differnt
me: Well, Lewwyn made us an offer, that's true. but it's not much for the ability to have fleets in the north
Rowain: As far as i can see you chances aren't that great if you refuse
me: our chances haven't been great since Rum-Sev was ordered
Rowain: How good is your communication with Amelia going? Or is there none
me: We've tried coordinating in the south, but with limited success. so, tell me, what are you trying to get out of us in the south?
Rowain: I'm just wondering what the best course might be
me: well, you need centers and you need G and A to not grow so much faster than you. which is a problem, since England's toasty with at most 2 years left and we're in a somewhat similar boat although not completely certain to die off that quickly, depends a lot on what Germany does
Rowain: I might get SMY this turn
me: aye, getting you to 8 centers.
Rowain: Which would at least one of the communicationproblems in the south
me: While Germany's threatening to get to about a dozen
Rowain: Germany is far away from that.
me: true, but an extra fleet has value. Nwy and 1 English center next year = 11. also, your max is basically 10 (Turkey proper) without getting them from A or G
Rowain: At the cost of BRE. yeah 10 is the upper limit
me: sorry, 11...Por. oh, no, that is 10. 3 Turkey + Tun + Por/Spa/Mar. but, frankly, you don't want Por just yet
Rowain: 3 Trkey needs agreement by the other powers
me: Build A Nap next, you'll need to convoy
Rowain: First I need a center. So are you still trying to fight Lewwyn for example would it make sense for Germany to attack WAr to break his support into MOS?
me: I suspect so. that would be helpful, actually. And also, realize that as long as there's limited fleet action going on, Turkey proper won't fall
Rowain: wll if for example: I moattack SMY this turn and support GRE into AEG Turkey is history
me: not just Turkey the person
Rowain: Excuse my horrible typing
me: but Turkey the land. if you refuse to help, Turkey cannot fall. Smy, Con, Ank, none of it.
Rowain: well SMY, AEG, BULL can force open CON at least when you lose MOS and have little Units left in the south
me: aye. I have to run. I'll pass this along to rego, and I expect we'll send something more formal and well-thought out today, if he's got time
Rowain: You see if you sign the agreement with Lewwyn I will fully support him to get the south cleared fast and perhaps get a center or 2. If you are still willing to fight it might be a better course to reduce the support
me: we are fighting him and aren't signing
Rowain: good to hear
me: and I have to run. ttyl
Rowain: bye
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But, looking at the map, as long as Aeg and Smy are empty of opposing forces, Con CANNOT FALL. So the Turkish centers are essentially impregnable if Italy doesn't work with Austria. If we could support him into Greece, then that really starts to put the hurt on Austria. I don't think he's willing to go for that right now, though.
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Sorry. Accidentally posted my PBEM22 update here. Ignore.
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