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You could also move Lvn - Bal and make him guess whether you are going to use it to support an attack on Ber or Swe... He could move Den - Bal though, but that might weaken his defense elsewhere. Lots of options, but I guess taking Bot first is most certain to work. 
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Zed-F Wrote:You could also move Lvn - Bal and make him guess whether you are going to use it to support an attack on Ber or Swe...
Good point. But I think the threat of Lvn-Bal is enough. He can't let me into Baltic as that would cause him all sorts of problems
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So we can anticipate Den - Bal then on the off chance we do actually declare Lvn - Bal... unless he voluntarily gives up Bot to save the fleet by going Bot-Bal and hoping to stymie us in the fall.
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I suppose we can also guess he'll try to vacate Kie in the fall if he can in order to get a build... but that gives up some support for his other centers. We can't count on I being willing to order Tyr-Mun with our support, I assume? And G might be willing to go Bur S Mun, Mun S Ber in the fall while Kie moves out if he suspects I might remain neutral-ish. Even so, he could be vulnerable to Boh cutting Mun's support of Ber, or else he stays down a build. We'd also have to make sure we cut any fleet in Bal as well; maybe even try to take Bal ourselves in the fall, if getting Swe looks unlikely.
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Zed-F Wrote:I suppose we can also guess he'll try to vacate Kie in the fall if he can in order to get a build... but that gives up some support for his other centers. We can't count on I being willing to order Tyr-Mun with our support, I assume? And G might be willing to go Bur S Mun, Mun S Ber in the fall while Kie moves out if he suspects I might remain neutral-ish. Even so, he could be vulnerable to Boh cutting Mun's support of Ber, or else he stays down a build. We'd also have to make sure we cut any fleet in Bal as well; maybe even try to take Bal ourselves in the fall, if getting Swe looks unlikely.
Good points. We'll definitely look to see if he tries to vacate Kie. He can't do so safely, as you point out, so if we have an opportunity we'll try to take it.
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Aha, some progress on the Scandinavian front it seems.
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Zed-F Wrote:Aha, some progress on the Scandinavian front it seems.
Indeed. We can guarantee Berlin with
Bal-Kie
Boh-Mun
Pru S Sil-War
We can also destroy his fleet in Finland (as zed pointed out via PM).
I'll have to ponder which of those is better.
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The tricky part is just making sure Rowain doesn't get itchy. I may give him Greece if we take Berlin, just so he doesn't feel like we can try to solo.
I don't think that we can solo unless Germany tries to defend against Italy
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If we get Ber, are we still mostly stuck for forward progress on land? G has a lot more armies than fleets, and there's a limited amount of space we can push armies through. If we get Fin, then we probably get all of Scandanavia in a couple years, and can push on G's home provinces from there, plus it allows more options for our own later builds. It seems like it has more growth potential down the road than taking Ber now and still being in a traffic jam -- assuming that's an accurate assessment. If we can break the traffic jam by taking Ber (and maybe moving on Den from there?) then that might be the better option since we obviously don't want to let G get any more builds if we can avoid it.
I may view a move where we don't get a build this year as less threatening than one where we do get a build, as well.
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Zed-F Wrote:If we get Ber, are we still mostly stuck for forward progress on land? G has a lot more armies than fleets, and there's a limited amount of space we can push armies through. If we get Fin, then we probably get all of Scandanavia in a couple years, and can push on G's home provinces from there, plus it allows more options for our own later builds. It seems like it has more growth potential down the road than taking Ber now and still being in a traffic jam -- assuming that's an accurate assessment. If we can break the traffic jam by taking Ber (and maybe moving on Den from there?) then that might be the better option since we obviously don't want to let G get any more builds if we can avoid it.
I may view a move where we don't get a build this year as less threatening than one where we do get a build, as well.
If we take Ber, we can take Mun next, but yeah, that would probably limit our forward progress.
I think the one we need to do is the one that makes it easier to do the OTHER one next. For instance, if we don't take Ber now, and he gets an army in Ruh, that would make it harder to take Munich.
But your point about Italy's thoughts is a good one too
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