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Disbanding bar to build StP nc is the same as retreating and I don't see any reason why we'd want another army there when Liv is already sitting around not so usefully. That leaves disbanding to build StP sc, which I already mentioned as possible in my previous post.
However, this topic came up because you were thinking of disbanding F Pru, which doesn't seem to offer a build possibility this turn because Bar or its replacement will be occupying StP. So either we keep F Pru, we disband and rebuild in Sev, or we disband and wait to rebuild later.
I'd have to look at the map again to see whether we can use Pru to get Bal back or whether it can help at all to keep Ber.
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Is this legal, assuming Bar retreats Stp, Bal retreats Pru, Fin retreats Swe:
Pru -> Bal, Bot S Fin Swe, Stp -> Nwy, Liv S Stp (not to Nwy, just in case it bounces)?
Would that give Stp a defense of 2 if it can't move to Nwy? Or would Stp have to hold to have a defense of 2 and get support from Liv?
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Zed-F Wrote:Disbanding bar to build StP nc is the same as retreating and I don't see any reason why we'd want another army there when Liv is already sitting around not so usefully. That leaves disbanding to build StP sc, which I already mentioned as possible in my previous post.
However, this topic came up because you were thinking of disbanding F Pru, which doesn't seem to offer a build possibility this turn because Bar or its replacement will be occupying StP. So either we keep F Pru, we disband and rebuild in Sev, or we disband and wait to rebuild later.
I'd have to look at the map again to see whether we can use Pru to get Bal back or whether it can help at all to keep Ber.
Yes rebuilding it as stp/nc would be the same as retreating, which is exactly why it's a good idea to retreat it.
1) It lets us build an army or a fleet on the south coast
2) It keeps the other 2 folks guessing, though it doesn't matter as much here since we're the only ones with builds.
In any case, we retreated to Prussia and disbanded, and Germany retreated to Sweden. We have 2 builds, which we probably should only use 1 of them, unless we want to have to remove something next year when Italy takes one of our centers (or we lose Berlin)
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So is this still going? 
You gonna pull out the win? Don't give into the draw. :neenernee
“The wind went mute and the trees in the forest stood still. It was time for the last tale.”
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Lewwyn Wrote:So is this still going?
You gonna pull out the win? Don't give into the draw. :neenernee
I don't think I can pull off the win but I'm not going to give in yet.
It's hard when Rowain is not really interested in risking his 3-way
I built a fleet on the south coast to try and control that. I'm probably going to lose St. Pete here before too long.
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Excellent - my gamble to go for Sweden paid off. Now I'm guaranteed to keep Sweden, or possibly take Norway this fall (if I want to). And once I'm in Norway he won't be able to bottle me up and stop me from effecting things in the North Sea and such.
Bummer about losing Berlin, and I can kick him out of Stp this fall if I want (I may try to attack Baltic instead?).
Also plan to let Rowain have Greece.
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To answered Cyneheard's IM'd question, we are not guaranteed to hold Sweden, but we could guarantee Norway, and most imporantly, he cannot dislodge us from Sweden AND block a forward retreat to the Skagerrak
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Email from Rowain
Quote:as you see I have this time done a bit more damage.
It is simple I want the draw now.
So I do hope that you stop playing around. I don want to fight you and I don't want to have this game run for another 10 years.
So please to include Set Draw in all of your future orders.
Greetings from the peace-yearning King of Italy
Sigh.
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I guess the tactics from both sides were unpredictable over the last few turns so because we rated various tactical objectives of different importance. For example I assumed you'd take the guaranteed attack on Berlin in 1911, and then rated control of STP and the Scandinavian SCs as secondary to establishing naval dominance over the Baltic area by occupying BAL and sinking that fleet in Prussia. Then we could just surround Scandinavia with fleets and take Sweden or Norway (whichever one got occupied) back later.
No one was going to solo if Italy wanted the 3-way though
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Finally finished reading your thread 
Wellat the end this game could have gone on with uberfish and mysself killing Russia. But I feared that you might defend a lot harder against me making it easier for uberfish to reach 18.
While it is true that it is usual bad play if you try to play both sides all the time it is my opinion that I had little options in this game. A strong France is never a good thing for Italy and Austria made it hard to attack him at the beginning. The chaotic actions in the east made any clear alliances difficult at first.
Later I was working quite well with Lewwyn until he got a) too greedy and b) broke down and threw away the game after i just slapped him on the wrist.
Had he talked with me then and acknowledged that Italian support is worrth something he would not have lost any centers and Russia would have been dead shortly after.
This would have lead to a GER-AUT-IT situation with a more balanced centercount. making the stab possibilities a lot better.
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