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Uncommonly Good: A Story of Elves

Thoth Wrote:Minor game mechanics note: Fires cannot spread to or be started on tiles with improvements (not sure about roads, but mines, farms, cottages and lumber mills all prevent the forest from catching fire)

Did not know that - that is good news. Should feel pretty safe from fires then.

Turn arrives with the learning of Archery. Huzzah.

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Code of Laws dialed up, which we'll complete almost completely with overflow.

PoL en route to Nicolae will get there in 4T.

Dialed up a pair of Veil temples in The Chronic and Where It's At. Workers after in both spots. Where It's At is really a great city by the by. If we were getting the Ivory it'd be even better, but this is pretty sexy considering its a relatively newer burg:

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Hooked up 2nd corn this turn so offered a loaner to Nicolae in hopes for future good will with mana. As such:

Quote:Hey Nicolae,

Just a couple quick things. Not sure if you're still needing health but I have a spare corn now so I sent it your way.

Also, not sure what your need of fire mana is but if you're not using yours atm I'd love a 10T loan of both so I can get a few free fire promos on my first adepts. I don't expect to do much magery but I figure fireballs wouldn't hurt things down the line. Its not a big deal if you can't, I fully expect most of my damage to come from Tigers and Ring of Fires.

Also - Brian hit me up the other day asking if I could direct you towards him for contact. I mentioned the giant Balseraph sized obstacle to that contact, but I told him I'd pass his request along regardless. He seemed irked about something you said to Acalostas, but I don't exactly remember what it was. I think I might have responded along the lines of he wouldn't have anything to be annoyed about if he wasn't preparing to engage in the most self-destructive war ever.

Anyway, that's all the news fit to print.

Regards,
Gaspar

I mean what I say there - I don't think Fireballs will mean much to us, but ultimately they're pretty useful to have, so why not? If he says no, who cares? Might as well stack stuff while the adepts are coming off the line.

CoL will come in at EOT. We'll have to save gold for 1T before getting Currency in 2. Great person due out of Paradise City on T128. At this point, there's no hope of getting any more in a reasonable time frame without Pacifism and/or National Epic.

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Random thought - is there any defensible reason for Brian and Acalostas to not be in Aristocracy on T125?

I know its T125 and I owe a full big report, but it'll have to wait until tomorrow. In the interim, I feel really comfortable saying this game would be ours to lose if the Balseraphs weren't in it. Which to me, considering the crap lands with Peaks everywhere, no commerce/happy specials AND us getting boxed in by both Rawkking and Nicolae is a pretty solid testament to just how strong the Elven economy really is. Really can't beat a bunch of 3/1/5 tiles everywhere AND having Civic flexibility.
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Corn is not just health you know, it's 10% commerce in the Deruptus city.
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NobleHelium Wrote:Corn is not just health you know, it's 10% commerce in the Deruptus city.

Yeah, but he doesn't have Dereptus (he's getting Ale from us) and we already have Corn at the capital, so there's nothing gained nothing lost there.
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Gaspar Wrote:I probably should have bloomed the cottages south of Hash Pipe as a priority - I just focused on the spots I could get up sooner, silly since most of the Priests were being built in the more fertile spots.
The more you encourage me to look at turns, the more I’ll make (probably annoying and unnecessary) micro observations alright. I was actually thinking I would have bloomed the worked cottages in preference to the unimproved grass hill to the north. I think I’ve also spotted a problem with stacked workers – if the “stack” finishes a task, then the workers who would actually still have actions don’t come up during the unit cycling. This probably isn’t an issue in BTS where workers tend to fly solo, but I think we lost a couple of turns of activity at RDW.

Gaspar Wrote:This is a good idea, though Kyan might already be supplying the hawk support for their war.
Somewhat surprisingly, Kyan still doesn’t have Hunting. I’m not actually sure what he’s teched recently – it might be that he’s saving/using all his commerce for rushbuying and upgrades. In other tech news, I think this is the first turn that I’ve noticed money available for trade. RG is the first to Currency, which will actually help our own trade route situation, as the civics screen shows.

Gaspar Wrote:National Epic is another good thought, as is Heroic Epic. HE in Cypress Hill I'd think. Where would we put NE - the capital? Bazaar of Mammon is another question - capital makes sense for mature cottages, Paradise City if we build the Leaves shrine. Love to hear some thoughts on these since they're coming soonish.
Mardoc Wrote:Agreed, Cypress Hill HE makes a lot of sense. We built it as a hammer city, it should continue to be a hammer city. That does require one more tech, note: Military Strategy.

National Epic...um. I think I'd lean toward Paradise City for this, actually. There's a reason it's already been our specialists' location - it's got a decently good food supply without a lot of tiles worth working. And it's been around long enough to have the infrastructure for the slots.

If the game were to go on a lot longer, I'd say put NE in a city with maximum total surplus, probably the capital, but I don't think we've got enough turns left to try to maximize it, and cap wants to be working ancient forest towns instead of specialists.

Mammon - you're right that it probably depends on which shrine we get. If we don't have the Leaves shrine soon (and maybe even if we do, I'm not sure how often we're running 100% cash), then I think I'd go for the capital. It'd multiply with Dereptus that way, in addition to the most grown up cottages.
I think we’re all settled on Cypress Hill for the Heroic Epic. That will also make things like Priest-temple-building unquestionably more efficient, but it’s basically all we’ll get from beakers into Military Strategy.

We had a quick exchange on National Epic back at post 1046. Another thing to consider is which type of GP are we most interested in? Sages will be worth most in the Chronic, Priests/Merchants get a boost wherever we put the Bazaar. If we do choose the capital, then we can maybe pass tiles onto the two cities with overlap if we come off them for specialists.

I’d go along with both of you with regards to the Bazaar. If we get the Leaves Shrine, then I’d definitely put it in Paradise City since we’ll be running 100% gold much less often – it will definitely be worth flipping cottages from Chronic to Paradise when we do run full cash in that case. Otherwise, more tiles, better developed, and Dereptus means that the Chronic would be most productive.

Gaspar Wrote:Random thought - is there any defensible reason for Brian and Acalostas to not be in Aristocracy on T125?
Maybe because they have so few cities that God King is worth more? With so many units and so little commerce, Brian must be really struggling to tech. Maybe extra GPP from the Grigori palace will help him out of the hole? You also left out one piece of turn news – Acolastas got a Great Sage. Perhaps he’ll build a nice Academy for Brian/Kyan? lol
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Random thought, don't have time for a full reply - is it worth breaking the tech path, grabbing Elementalism, throwing down an Earth node and trying to rush the tower out while we're getting Water and Fire?

Probably not, but if we're going to do so next turn is probably the turn to decide it, so figured I'd throw it out there.

I do have a Gentleman's agreement with Nicolae and Rawkking to not go for a peaceful victory condition prior to war with Kyan, but I fail to see how their shortsighted NAPs are my problem. I have enough issues with my own shortsighted NAPs in other games. wink
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Ah, a crazy FFH plan! thumbsup Not seen one of those in a while, but I’m going to shoot it down. frown

As well as the tech, we need an Adept (five turns away?), to move into position (2 turns?) and then switch the node (3 turns). That sounds like too long, especially with Brian’s hinting that we may not get the full 10 turns of loan.

I’m pretty sure we’ve also got no location that will give us enough hammers for a quick build to be viable. I don’t fancy teching a rushbuy civic, switching, and then turning off research to get it done that way, either.

I’d also be nervous about tipping the others off on our “victory” plans – we really don’t want anyone thinking of us as a threat to win.

Although Earth isn’t a bad mana to use for a node since a gem or copper pop would be good news, we’d only have two left, one which needs to stay untouched waiting for Metamagic. Given I’d assume we want Haste, building an Earth node would be blocking ourselves from any other magic sphere until we have a mage.

It looks like I need some convincing.
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On a different note, now that we have free rein to base our Hawks in something like 2/3 of the world - have we managed to spot Kyan's army yet? It'd be nice to actually know what we're facing.
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Alright. I think I'll do a big T130 report because I couldn't quite make myself wait to play the turn. I'll do a state of the game report to make up for it.

In the meantime, T126 meant the arrival of Code of Laws. Normally I'd call Aristocracy a better civic than City States even for Elves, but we've so few farms I don't think so in this case. We may have to lay a farm or two down over by RDW, but more likely just grab Sanitation sometime soon. We had enough surplus to 2T Currency but I decided to save gold this turn to save cash for an event fund. So Currency will be in on T129. We make a reasonably impressive 159 gpt on 0% slider.

Otherwise was an incredibly quiet turn. On Mardoc's suggestion I flew my hawks a bit closer to Kyan's cities this turn. All I could discover was a pair of Adepts. I wonder if he's hiding them out of hawk range or if he's maybe using them in an attempt to grab the Dragon's Hoard? Acheron's city is located below the Grigori, but reasonably close to Kyan:

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Scouting north of Brian revealed this griffon, one would assume belonging to Kyan:

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By the by, I understand this is an ice ball, but if you had this nearby wouldn't you research Hunting and settle it?

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Here's the latest shot of the core. 2T til we find out which shrine we get.

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Gaspar Wrote:By the by, I understand this is an ice ball, but if you had this nearby wouldn't you research Hunting and settle it?
The eastern one, I certainly would. You can get up to around size 10, with furs, coast and TR more than paying for the city and then generate an actually quite healthy hammer return. I hope that the age of our maps means that the much more interesting unsettled incense/5 riverside grass site in the earlier picture has now been taken.

Not much else to say, so two quick questions. Is Kyan actually still in charge of the Clowns? Krill is well ahead in the post-count and Brian hinted that Krill had taken over. And secondly, is there any good reason why Brian is waiting to move his overwhelming Horseman force into the almost completely undefended Grigori territory? Seems like the longer he waits, the longer his “post-conflict NAP” will be in place and the further ahead the Clowns will be on D Day (not sure whether “D” stands for “dogpile” or “destruction” lol).
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Man Behind the Mask Wrote:Not much else to say, so two quick questions. Is Kyan actually still in charge of the Clowns? Krill is well ahead in the post-count and Brian hinted that Krill had taken over.

Fair question - I suppose I should send off a message.

Man Behind the Mask Wrote:And secondly, is there any good reason why Brian is waiting to move his overwhelming Horseman force into the almost completely undefended Grigori territory? Seems like the longer he waits, the longer his “post-conflict NAP” will be in place and the further ahead the Clowns will be on D Day (not sure whether “D” stands for “dogpile” or “destruction” lol).

The only reason I can see is: smoke

Nicolae sent this to us today:

Quote:Yo Gaspar,

There's a Griffon 3W of your Priest of Leaves, depending on how surrepitious you want to be, you could always sneak him past the Griffon (likely heading south to pop my shipwrecks frown [lol as if I'm going to use it as casus belli against that monster]), or name him something witty.

Any other news? You may have noticed Acal donated Enchantment mana to me, I guess he felt sorry for me going to get slaughtered by Kyan (though why he's not being more pro-active about his own defenses escapes me). It's not like Kyan really needs that water mana. And oh fuck, Kyan has Sorcery now. Whoopee, I get a discount on teching it. Still working on reaching Brian and smacking some sense into him.

Cheers,
Nic

I saw that Griffon with Hawks last turn. Suppose I should rename the PoL something more surreptitious than FOR NICOLAE. wink
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