[SPOILERS] - PBEM26 Lurker thread

[oledavy]

Rego is a wheeler-dealer, but my gut feeling is that won't fly.

Yeah, no way rego goes for that deal, six cities is excessive. Rego's already given up on Taj so that bit of the threat/appeasement won't work either.

Gaspadore need to propose a deal where Rego loses 3-4 cities in exchange for leaving So Skinny standing, that he might go for. All that being said, three turns to move units in position to threaten So Skinny is a long time during war, there's no guarantee they'll be able to take the city.

[oledavy]

You kinda can't spam workshops on this map.

Good point

Is Rego the only one actually building his national wonders?

Unless I missed something, he currently has Moai, the National Epic, the Forbidden Palace, and the Globe. Pindicator just has his Moai up, while Gaspadore have their Moai and HE built.

[Ceiliazul]

Good point

Is Rego the only one actually building his national wonders?

Unless I missed something, he currently has Moai, the National Epic, the Forbidden Palace, and the Globe. Pindicator just has his Moai up, while Gaspadore have their Moai and HE built.

Pindicator expressed a rededication to the National wonders. It's the thought that counts, right?

[timski]

As is apparent from Rego's initial ramblings and "Pindicator's Zerk", Gaspadore are as much trying to break the Rego's "vassalage" of Pindicator, as they are trying to capture parts of Rego's territory. In many ways this is what the game needs balance-wise, the question is, will it come too late?

I think Rego is wrong about - "The problem is that Gaspadore does not have a great chance to win, and he knows that." - Gaspadore are the eternal military optimists (see earlier comments on their lucky opening against Sian), with nothing much to loose at this point (the Berserkers aren't obviously going anywhere else, and if they don't take Rego down a notch now, they certainly won't in the future).

[Ceiliazul]

Damn, Rego is smooth. Working to turn his sunk EPs into Yuri into a tangible benefit, and pointing out specifics of just how poorly defended Yuri's empire (still?!) is.

[oledavy]

No way are we letting rego slime his way out of this. What do wecare if our Zerks that we got for pennies on the dollar die on Jans? Andthe fact that he spent his EPs unwisely by picoing Yuri as his main threat rather than Pindicator is not my problem. We surely don't need regos intel to know Yuri is underdefended. So his offer essentially is a settler to go away, not going to fly. I think that needs to be said in the followup message (don't let him snare you in a chat btw.) He needs yo understand there is avery tangible benefit to use in him slaving/drafting away, even if we don't actually take much. And that our speed advantage is real and tangible.

Also, not fornothing, but he owes us fir all that extra territory - he never settles several of those without us taking down Sian. So in a sense were just asking for our rightful spoils of the Sianic wars.

4 city minimum, the gold and the map or the naked cities go down and So Skinny becomes more and more useless to him.

And the die is cast. A very prescient position on Gaspar's part, considering Rego's latest chat with Pindicator.

If I were Gaspadore at this point, I would go AW mode on Rego and court Yuris as a buffer state against Pindicator. This is a hail mary pass during the fourth quarter, and if they don't go all out and damage Rego's empire, this game is over.

[Ceiliazul]

With Rego and GasCom reaching a 4-city agreement, The latter is free to reverse the galleys and attack Yuri.

Yuri, having seen all that power waltz through his empire en route to Orange culture, will see them return as hostiles in just a few turns... that sucks for him.

Commodore has 2 games in a row now getting concessions just on the basis of the power graph. If he can pull something out of Yuri, he'll have a TON of new land to assimilate... in 25ish turns. Then the sky will fall.

[oledavy]

I would have rather seen a long bloody war with the Ottomans, to get Rego to whip and draft some of his empire away. As it is, Rego gets out with minimal losses and is preparing to hammer Gaspadore down the road. Meanwhile, the Trolls are planning on attacking the last state that might give them aid in the event of a world war. The World War will probably be costly, but one that Gaspadore will eventually lose due to sheer numbers. Pindicator and especially Rego aren't tactical slouches, so I expect them to eventually win.

I don't understand Pindicator maintaining his alliance with Rego. He's an excellent player, but better than Rego? I don't think so. Putting yourself into a 1v1 situation with player who is better than you and who is ahead on the economic growth curve is just a bad idea.

The ideal situation for Pindicator would have Rego eliminated or severely crippled in a 2v1, then him squaring off against Gaspadore in a late-game war that he could win. The teams are of similar playing ability, but Pin would be entering the war with having played a basic builders game since day one while Gaspadore endured centuries of war.

As things stand, I expect we'll get a short decisive war between the Incans and Carthaginians, a long world war that will see the destruction of the Troll Empire, then a modern war between Rego and Pin in which Rego will emerge victorious to clinch the victory.

[oledavy]

You know what would be rich? Gaspadore selling Pindicator's beserkers and galleys to Yuris, then Yuris going after Pindicator to reclaim his cities. That would solve Gaspadore's current 2v1 problem and make Yuris a respectable ally all in one go.

[NobleHelium]

Yuris has a NAP with pindicator. And I would consider that a violation of Gaspadore's agreement with pindicator, more or less. Yuris attacking rego with those same berserkers would be some hilarious stuff though.