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Quote:We have an agreement with Gillette to keep our respective scouting information confidential without first obtaining permission to share, so alas we will be unable to provide any details on that subject. Our relations have been fairly amicable to this point, although given our proximity and the distribution of resources between us there is little doubt friction will develop.
We appreciate the sentiment that you wouldn't hate to see us win. As you can guess from our roster we are in it more for the journey than the destination. Besides, novice is convinced we have a) the worst leader/civ pairing and b) the worst opening plan. I'm starting to realize novice is a grade A pessimist, so who can say. Despite how mean Krill is to me, I find your TEAM and the whole concept behind it hilarious, so I wouldn't mind losing to you as well .
I should mention that I am not going to be doing chats this game. Dial me up to talk about supermodels, football (global or American), politics, etc. anytime you want. Just no RBDG1 talk. Nothing personal, I'm not chatting with any of the teams, because a) I don't want to invest the time, and b) after PB2 I think chats ruin the game.
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Quote:Hi TEAM,
Seems like you owe us a set of screenshots...
How are the wars going?
Regards,
Nakor
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Quote:I'll pester Lewwyn, he is holding the fort atm, he should have the screenshots taken on the next turn and give them to you. FWIW, if you CC any emails to the TEAM account to him and GES you will likely get the quickest response.
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From Plako:
Quote:13:36
plako.plako: hi
me: Plako...you mind if I cut to hte chase?
13:37
plako.plako: sure - Like it that way
me: That offer is insulting
plako.plako: Yours too
me: You want us to give you a city now, leaving you at 4 cities, and use at 2.
plako.plako: If you fuck our game you certainly isn't gonna get best of it
13:38
me: fine, if that's how you guys want to play it.
plako.plako: I'm always up to negotiate. Don't see any counter offer
And no you're not gonna get best of it
me: any deal that sees us giving you a city gives you an immediate benefit
fine then
13:39
axes don't fair very well against archers on hills
plako.plako: Sure. We won't attack, but city will be useless nevertheless
interruption
Quote:22:05
plako.plako: Hi - you around
22:07
We've been dicussing and it seems that our team has more sense than me and would be willing to look for a solution that would be as equal as possible both of us.
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Transcript of Peace talks:
Quote:plako: hi
me: hey
I haven't really written up anything since we talked
so I guess I'm glad the turn hasn't been moving
plako: Since you haven't activated. I've given it a though
We get Losing immediately
me: have you talked to anyone else on your team about the settler two workers?
plako: WE'll give you option to capture 1 worker now
and next settler finishes on T59 would be yours
To direct where you like (we can settle it for you)
NAP until T100
Border: We will settle a city 7W of the gold. That city, Bitter, and Losing will form our northern border and they can settle all the land north and east of those cities, as long as their first ring doesn't overlap with our second ring.
East meaning not further south than Losing though
replce they with you  . I took it from our forum
me: mnnnn
so you want the marble sheep deer copper
plako: Yes
me: so we would never get marble
because there is no marble north of that
plako: I suspect we could agree on a deal you having it e.g. for 10T during our NAP.
WE could also consider NAP having a some other duration
This is only marble we've seen so I suppose MArble isn't available to everyone
me: there's marble 6 tiles away from that marble
towards M3
plako: ok. there is probably 2 of them in the main continent
me: I think commodore set it in the middle for fights
which is precisely why we fought with you actually
the marble
plako: But still settled on other direction . You would probably have it, if yo would have gone there
me: well
one more turn
but thats neither here nor there
I think we can give up the marble but I'm not sure we can agree to give both the deer and the sheep
plako: both of them are our 2nd ring so you would have a chance getting them
me: I'd rather not be "fighting" for a "chance at getting them
what your asking would simply create more friction and basically force us to come after you again after the NAP is up
if we were to give you that site
the east would need some working out
plako: What would you suggest as our border city there?
me: how much of that area do you have mapped?
plako: I think we have all that is relevant
me: the problem is that its sort of peninsulaly
theres ivory and furs both there
and theres the stone
plako: Not seen the marble, but I guess we've pretty much everything east from there
You mean east from Losing?
me: yes
I am referring to east of losing
plako: ok. there we've gaps
We were blindly setting the border as you 1st suggested. That doesn't work well I suppose
me: I don't think we suggested a border
I think you did
anyway its a bit like an Italy boot
anyone who settles near the opening seals off the whole thing
problem is we haven't scouted the botom of the boot either
I believe commodore has done a bit of a wheel and he's set stone between each civ, so there should be 4 stone on the map 1 between each civ
plako: Ok - So that might be´come a problem. Without seeingit. Hard to comment
me: on these spokes he's also put furs and ivory between each civ
in the center he's put the two marble and the food
plako: Most of the useful things seem to be in the middle yes
between nations
me: the marble is much closer to us than you
plako: Yes - One of our complaints of this map
me: so would you rather have stone or marble?
I fucking hat ethis map
plako: Well our prefrence is to have a city in hte center so Marble
Not sure how we can agree upon east. I think we can accpet that border line would be on Losing, but based on your desciprion that is not very good for you
me: ah we can't accept a border line based on losing
you know how you have that land to the south?
our counterpart is that land east of losing
think of it like a lopsided pizza
our land scoots down south along the coast
your proposed border currently cuts basically all our land in your direction off
plako: WE can be reasonable concerning the borer there. Could you send us screenshot or was that prohibited until paper or something
me: yeah we can trade maps
My proposal
is that if you're taking marble we'll take stone
we'll take the furs since their closer to us and you take the ivory and sugar
plako: In princible alright, but we had to see the area
me: understandable
I can't log in right now to take a picture or I'll have to turn off this chat
plako: We can take a pause and continue after you've taken the shot
I might had to present it to the team though
me: the issue is that we havem't defogged all the sea tiles and the bottom of the peninsula
plako: We can left out some parts from the deal and agree not to settle there during the NAP without a new deal
me: sent you a ss from an earlier turn report
it doesn't have Losing on it but you can see what I mean
the wheat in that picture is the wheat SE of Losing
plako: Sure - Seems prety natural to try to split in half. It is wide enough
at least from here
me: yeah just barely
I'm hoping theres more seafood in the fog
if there is we could keep the crab and you could have the other
plako: Crabs will be contested no matter what
me: you'd get the sugar and the ivory we'd try to grab the furs in a second ring
plako: But maybe we could agree upon settling order
me: right but I'd like to possibly settle so we'd have the crab in the first ring
plako: 1W of stone? Anything else would make our entrance to peninsula challenging
me: and grab the fog + sugar + ivory which would remain uncontested from us
plako: WE could perhaps settle 2S from furs
me: thats hard because it makes the furs so contested
plako: Only visible food for us would be then crabs
Even that Wheat is already shared with Losing
and is obvivously unirrigated
me: you can see the dilemna
plako: Sure. Could we just make a general deal at this point staing you'll have stone, but neither of us can settle here until we reasses the area after scouting it fully
If nothing else works we can fight over it after T100
me: I think so I'm still worried about the extra food we're giving up at marble
it's just a bit much to give up so close to home
plako: That placement can be also discussed. I think also hill 1SE could be ok in case we can plant in the west claiming the marble
me: when we're already giving up Losing gambit plus extra
plako: That would leave Sheep totally yours
me: I think that would be inifintiely better
and make us Much Much less likely to start fighting again which I'd rather not worry about
plako: Nut then I'd like to se you not putting pressure on Deer
me: wait
1 S of the marble put the sheep in your range but the deer out
so you mean no pressure on the sheep
plako: That might be better yes. Border would be nicer
The best postiooinig for you we'll put pressure on the Deer no matter what
Sheep is a bit further and near the lake
Our dot mapping will be tougher though
me: Ours too XD
plako: Would it be ok, if we swettle on top of Marble. That way we could squeeze one reasonable city south from there
me: yeah I think that might be okay, one thing is that we'd like to settle for the deer 2 East of it
plako: That is a mega city for you
me: that would put Losing's deer in its second ring though
problem is if we settle it one tile north of that it make s a city between it and the capital nearly impossible
plako: If gifted immediately We could live with it I think
me: okay I think we can make it work
and yes we'dd make sure you had full control over the forested deer so that it would be technically uncontested
plako: actually I think our original suggestion would be quite alright. You'll probably easily keep the Deer tile as long as you settle the city before us and that surely is a very high priority spot to you
me: yes
hmmm
okay I'll think about that as well then
plako: I think we could also live with most of hte suggested other positionings
me: I also think that we can likely work out a bit of deal where we swap the marble and the stone so we both benefit from it
plako: Sure - and I was already promising you a 10T of Marble earlier
me: yeah and I'll extend that back with the stome
plako: No team approval though
Thx
me: right same here
how close are you to writing if you don't minf me asking?
I'm curious because of timing of possible worker deal
plako: we're accumulating gold and has it getting the 1 beaker. If we go there next under 10T
You can capture the worker now
Before we sign peace
me: right
plako: It is converted no normal worker though so up to you, if you want to wait
me: does it stay a fast worker if capure it?
right
one sec
your team was wary of giving us 2 workers right?
do they feel better if one is captured and made normal and then gift a fast one?
plako: You want 2 workers instead of settler?
I think everythign is negotiable
WE're not totally against giving fast workers
me: well we wanted 2 workers and a settler
plako: That starts to be stretching it
We've also plentiful of Axes
me: XD
plako: You should take them instead - lol
me: you're offering axes lol?
I've sort of been told not to accept less than 2 workers and a settler for gifting away Losing
what if the second worker was much further down the line?
plako: well delaying delivery might make it work
me: I think we would be in favor of that, it makes the worker less difficult to give away for you, but should still be helpful for us
even if the snowball is delayed
you are saying 10T until writing yes?
at the least
plako: These things can change, but preliminarily our next goal has been Writing
me: right
plako: No palns to change it though so 10T is highly likely
me: I think what we have discussed so afr in terms of capture the worker this turn and gift then having you settle and gift your next settler should be solid
then possibly we wait until its more convient for you for the next worker
I'm not sure when you think that would be
20T?
plako: The 2nd workers is something I haven't discussed with a team. I could probably try to sell them ~25T
me: Okay I think I might be able to sell that to Krill
plako: Alright. We've now plenty of things to present our Teams.
It seems that reload hasn't happened yet so we've plenty of time to get all details agreed
me: One last thing, the settler that you are producing, are willing to settle at the site I mentioned 2E of the deer?
plako: We could settle there for you yes
Better write all the details down and then do final acceptance
me: yeah starting on that now
what turn is it currently?
so we'd capture on 54 and gift that turn
plako: We end this turn and put a worker in place for you to capture. You take it during your turna nd offer peace alongisde with Losing during your turn
me: yes
lemme email you my notes
one thing we haven't discussed is open borders
which I think can benefit both our teams
especially since we'll have a road between us
Just add NAP to T100 at the top of that
whoops also add worker gifted ~25T out
plako: Sure - Not sure it is that beneficial at least for the beginnig because of the war. No right of pasage without separate deal I presume
me: yeah I'll add that as well
Gift worker around T80?
thats ~25
plako: That was the date discussed. Can't promise yet we accept
But I'm in favor
me: right I'll email updated draft one second
So we'll present to both teams and see what people say
plako: I'd like to propose no settling on the peninsula area unless we get a deal before T100
There should be incentive to sign a deal. Those happiness resources are very much needed
me: okay I'll add that
I'm going to leave the current possibilities of that deal in there but make it clear that there is no settling before 100 unless a deal is reached
plako: ok
do you send me another version?
me: I will send now
one thing that might pose an issue to is that the stone is there
plako: We both havce excess units to send there. Let's try to iron up the deal within next 10T
me: lol
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November 3rd, 2012, 21:57
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Quote:Well, I mean that's what he posted in response. No deal unless the settler is upfront. Basically I think the idea is that you receiving Losing before we get a city to compensate gives you too much snowball. IE: 4 cities to 2. But I haven't talked to him on chat and all he posted was the one sentence in response. I don't really want to argue with Krill.
Would it be possible for us to simply delay gifting you the city until the the settler is ready? You'd get the city at size 2 instead of 1. Instead of settling the city 2 E of the deer you could settle it north of the gold? In that case the city wouldn't be generating competing culture over the forested deer 2nd ring. Perhaps to sweeten it, we still capture your worker this turn, but we use that worker to improve the deer or horse for you so that they are already improved when we gift you the city?
I'm just spitballing possible ameliorations. Not even sure if Krill would go for them.
Lew
Quote:I haven't presented this to the team, so this is just my opinion.
Why are looking a ways to slow us down? I thought we were looking for mutually beneficial deal to come back to the game? I think no upfront worker for you either then? We would hate to see it used to you snowballing to victory.
I'm not pleased that you would be accumulating culture over the forested Deer tile. This means I would had to insist you don't settle Deer being 2nd ring.
I urge you to consider, what that city brings in within next 7-8T to you or us and compare it the case where it grows to size 2. Difference isn't that much. It costs/saves some maintenance and gives you Archer unless you chop forests, but I would not approve a deal that would allow you to chop multiple forests.
Getting tired of this. I don't even know what you want at the moment. Krill just throwing one liner and all of a sudden our hard work for consensus is thrown in to litter pin.
Plako
Quote:We're up. I consulted the team and there was pretty good response to the deal originally suggested so I think we could get a deal based on that this turn. I'm pretty sure that Settler upfront won't lead to deal in any reasonable time frame.
I suggest you consider again what we're offering here. Instead of total failure for both of us i.e. we Razing Losing and marching remaining troops to harass your capital we're giving you a settler, 2*worker and land. In peace you're in good spot to take advantage of Pirates weak state. We've strong Gillette on our other border. This deal want give us keys for winning this game any more than it costs the game to you.
Plako
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