Lewwyn's Diplo School

[Lewwyn]

So here's the current deal that plako and I are discussing:

NAP to T100
Open Borders, No RoP without additional agreement.

TEAM:
Capture worker T54 and offer Peace + Gift Losing

Trolls:
Build Settler T59 and settle site 2 East of northern deer after. Gift city that turn.
Gift worker ~T80

Border Agreement:
Trolls will settle Marble site, TEAM will settle Stone site, to wit:

Trolls settle 2 S of northern Sheep. 2nd ring food (sheep, deer) may not be 1st ring settled. Sheep and Deer may be 2nd ring contested.

TEAM will have a city 2 East of the deer.

No settling on the peninsula area East of Losing before T100 unless a deal is reached. The land East of Losing will be discussed upon further scouting of the final peninsula south of the stone. Tentative settling includes Trolls on PH 2S of furs and having the furs being contested. Possibly having TEAM settle the hill west of the stone and then having Trolls settle south of that again if food is present.

Trades:
Possible 10T marble and stone trades back and forth.

It's not the best but its not the worst. Maybe I'm just worn down at this point or I suck at Diplo. I'll post the chat logs in the diplomatic thread after I format them.

[Krill]

That's a no. Settler up front or nothing.

[Lewwyn]

My internet has been down since Friday. Went to the office to get this stuff:

Well, I mean that's what he posted in response. No deal unless the settler is upfront. Basically I think the idea is that you receiving Losing before we get a city to compensate gives you too much snowball. IE: 4 cities to 2. But I haven't talked to him on chat and all he posted was the one sentence in response. I don't really want to argue with Krill.

Would it be possible for us to simply delay gifting you the city until the the settler is ready? You'd get the city at size 2 instead of 1. Instead of settling the city 2 E of the deer you could settle it north of the gold? In that case the city wouldn't be generating competing culture over the forested deer 2nd ring. Perhaps to sweeten it, we still capture your worker this turn, but we use that worker to improve the deer or horse for you so that they are already improved when we gift you the city?

I'm just spitballing possible ameliorations. Not even sure if Krill would go for them.

Lew

I haven't presented this to the team, so this is just my opinion.

Why are looking a ways to slow us down? I thought we were looking for mutually beneficial deal to come back to the game? I think no upfront worker for you either then? We would hate to see it used to you snowballing to victory.

I'm not pleased that you would be accumulating culture over the forested Deer tile. This means I would had to insist you don't settle Deer being 2nd ring.

I urge you to consider, what that city brings in within next 7-8T to you or us and compare it the case where it grows to size 2. Difference isn't that much. It costs/saves some maintenance and gives you Archer unless you chop forests, but I would not approve a deal that would allow you to chop multiple forests.

Getting tired of this. I don't even know what you want at the moment. Krill just throwing one liner and all of a sudden our hard work for consensus is thrown in to litter pin.

Plako

We're up. I consulted the team and there was pretty good response to the deal originally suggested so I think we could get a deal based on that this turn. I'm pretty sure that Settler upfront won't lead to deal in any reasonable time frame.

I suggest you consider again what we're offering here. Instead of total failure for both of us i.e. we Razing Losing and marching remaining troops to harass your capital we're giving you a settler, 2*worker and land. In peace you're in good spot to take advantage of Pirates weak state. We've strong Gillette on our other border. This deal want give us keys for winning this game any more than it costs the game to you.

Plako

I've been attempting to play good cop to Krill's bad cop. Dunno if its working. Thoughts? Suggestions?

I won't be able to get on gmail to chat with plako when he wakes up so if a deal is happening this turn someone else is going to have to talk to him. I don't know when I'll have internet at home. Also someone has to play the turn, I can't do it here at the office and I'll be home soon with no net beyond my cellphone.

[Lewwyn]

Well, nobody seems to have input. Noone wants to make the decision. And Krill that's not enough input. Are we going to Troll the game away or are we going to take a legitimate stab at playing? If we're Trolling we don't accept. If we're going to try we do accept. I don't really see any other way here. I'm just going to accept and get on with it, though I still can't play the turn yet and I'm going to bed soon. If anyone wants to say something now would be the time.

[Gold Ergo Sum]

Well, nobody seems to have input. Noone wants to make the decision. And Krill that's not enough input. Are we going to Troll the game away or are we going to take a legitimate stab at playing? If we're Trolling we don't accept. If we're going to try we do accept. I don't really see any other way here. I'm just going to accept and get on with it, though I still can't play the turn yet and I'm going to bed soon. If anyone wants to say something now would be the time.

What did you end up deciding to do?

I would've far preferred to troll M3 or Gillette, but unfortunately the two teams I liked are near us.

[Qgqqqqq]

Sorry for lack of input, I just really have no idea whats appropriate or no.
I would definitely prefer to play legitimately, but don't want to influence anything really given lack of experience.

[Lewwyn]

I've decided to accept the deal. The problem with trolling the Trolls for the rest of the game is that they are sitting next to Gillette. If we accept peace, then we ensure that Gillette has to start paying attention to their border, and we know that Gillette pink dotted M3 earlier.