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Diplomacy Master Thread- Helping Your Opponents Beat Themselves

Advantages of mentioning what we're gifting already:
-Lets us sidestep any beliefs we are doing nothing to help them.

Disadvantages of mentioning what we're gifting already:
-What we're giving them was part of a previously agreed deal
-They feel talked down to

What we can't tell CFC:
-That we actually support Spanish Apolyton and want them to win lol
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(March 4th, 2013, 20:47)Bigger Wrote:
(March 4th, 2013, 20:42)Lord Parkin Wrote:
(March 4th, 2013, 19:47)Nicolae Carpathia Wrote: "Sorry, but we're not able to do it. While we'd like you to win in the end, our policy has always been to remain neutral with regards to wars. The Spanish team requested help and of course we refused. We'd love to help you further, but 300g on zero notice is a massive sum that will jeopardise our own planning. So for now, the Spices and Stone gifts will continue. Stone for walls, Spices so you can whip, that should enough to fend off this insane and stupid gambit by the Zulus."

One minor suggestion in bold - otherwise following the previous sentence, that could be misinterpreted as "We'd love to help [the Spanish] further" (to a particularly paranoid nation).

I like this a lot

+=1

Wonder if we should give them more happy so they can whip more? tongue
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I'll be honest, I don't like mentioning what we're gifting already that much. It sounds condescending, which would be a departure from our relationship with them thus far. They aren't really allies, but we've never treated them like they're stupid. Plus, the stone/spices really was part of a previous deal. I think a polite but to-the-point refusal is fine here. If they're bothered by it or press us on it, I can handle that in chat. I suspect this is just a case of them going "um, let's ask, worth a shot right??" for which I can't really blame them.

However, there's some notable traction behind mentioning the spices/stone gift (with only a couple dissenting voices), and if that's a clear majority I'll go with it. So if you still have an opinion, speak up wink. Here's what I'd prefer to send, incorporating Cyneheard's and T-Hawk's suggestions.

Draft to CFC Wrote:Caledorn,

Sorry, but we're going to have to pass on the loan right now. 300g is a pretty hefty sum at this point in the game, and it would seriously damage our planning. We prefer to be neutral in other teams' wars. The Spanish team actually just asked us to provide them with help, and of course we immediately shot them down too. We want you to succeed in your war with the Spanish team due to our partnership, but I'm afraid we're going to have to hang on to our gold here. Hope this is ok with you guys.

Thanks,
scooter - Team RB
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I prefer your latest draft.
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I also prefer your draft and agree with not mentioning the gifts.
Kalin
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(March 4th, 2013, 23:27)scooter Wrote: I'll be honest, I don't like mentioning what we're gifting already that much. It sounds condescending, which would be a departure from our relationship with them thus far. They aren't really allies, but we've never treated them like they're stupid. Plus, the stone/spices really was part of a previous deal. I think a polite but to-the-point refusal is fine here. If they're bothered by it or press us on it, I can handle that in chat. I suspect this is just a case of them going "um, let's ask, worth a shot right??" for which I can't really blame them.

However, there's some notable traction behind mentioning the spices/stone gift (with only a couple dissenting voices), and if that's a clear majority I'll go with it. So if you still have an opinion, speak up wink. Here's what I'd prefer to send, incorporating Cyneheard's and T-Hawk's suggestions.

Draft to CFC Wrote:Caledorn,

Sorry, but we're going to have to pass on the loan right now. 300g is a pretty hefty sum at this point in the game, and it would seriously damage our planning. We prefer to be neutral in other teams' wars. The Spanish team actually just asked us to provide them with help, and of course we immediately shot them down too. We want you to succeed in your war with the Spanish team due to our partnership, but I'm afraid we're going to have to hang on to our gold here. Hope this is ok with you guys.

Thanks,
scooter - Team RB

Fine by me.
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lol I don't think a single diplomatic suggestion of mine has ever been approved tongue
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That second draft sounds good, yes.
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Hahahaha.

Can we loan them some gold if they end turn faster?
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Sent to CFC:

RB Wrote:Caledorn,

Sorry, but we're going to have to pass on the loan right now. 300g is a pretty hefty sum at this point in the game, and it would seriously damage our planning. We prefer to be neutral in other teams' wars. The Spanish team actually just asked us to provide them with help, and of course we immediately shot them down too. We want you to succeed in your war with the Spanish team due to our partnership, but I'm afraid we're going to have to hang on to our gold here. Hope this is ok with you guys.

Thanks,
scooter - Team RB
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