May 21st, 2013, 07:34
(This post was last modified: May 22nd, 2013, 06:34 by plako.)
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To me the price of DR seems to be close to right. E.g. it was researched quite early in PB7 and PB8 that feels a signal that it provides enough for its price. If Prophet is added then it should be quite a bit more expensive.
edit. Of course I meant PB4. PB7 was called too early to make DR reserach sensible.
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I think Krills idea makes sense.
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I can't speak for PB7, but I can say that in PB8 it definitely did not make sense from an economic standpoint to research it. I did nonetheless, but it certainly was not the best move. The costs of the tech + the building itself have such a long payback-period that it is questionable if it made even sense to build it. But if you build it, you have to do it early. Delaying the tech means delaying the building, means putting the date till the investment has paid back to some point AFTER the game has ended. That might even still be the case if I also take into account what other techs got delayed by going for it and what it cost to not have those.
May 21st, 2013, 10:06
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Well, the benefits of DR are what, the opportunity to build 2 wonders and get a religion, so the cost ought to reflect that, and I think that's a better first option than going around giving more missionaries or a GP, but also opens up Nationalism. The best comparison to another tech to figure out the cost would be something like Aesthetics, which is another tech that has a bunch of wonders on it and not much else. If the cost of the wonders themselves are considered to be adequately represented by the hammer cost, then the tech cost ought to strictly represent the cost of religion and of opening up Nationalism, so it really shouldn't be that much more than Theology which also gives a religion, good civic, a wonder that is more relevant in most situations, and Hagia and opens up Paper.
So...actually, why should it cost more than Theology? Why shouldn't it be the same base cost but without the prerequisite bonus?
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BTS tech costs:
Theology 500
Divine Right 1200
I'm a little concerned that lowering DR too much opens up a Nationalism beeline usimg GProphet bulbs. Maybe drop it to 800a (same cost as Philosophy) to start?
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Well, you can go to Nationalism via a Philosophy-bulb as well. And you need CS for it anyhow, so I don't think the Prophet-bulbs will be that much quicker (and need 2 GP instead of 1). I also think that getting it early isn't really helping as it just makes no sense to have Nationalism if you don't have the cities to support it.
May 21st, 2013, 12:18
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Whatever. I just don't like the idea of fixing something that isn't really broken. Everyone can freely ignore DR. It is dead end tech.
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Don't forget drafting needs higher population cities and Nat costs a bit more anyway.
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(May 21st, 2013, 10:06)Krill Wrote: Well, the benefits of DR are what, the opportunity to build 2 wonders and get a religion, so the cost ought to reflect that, and I think that's a better first option than going around giving more missionaries or a GP, but also opens up Nationalism. The best comparison to another tech to figure out the cost would be something like Aesthetics, which is another tech that has a bunch of wonders on it and not much else. If the cost of the wonders themselves are considered to be adequately represented by the hammer cost, then the tech cost ought to strictly represent the cost of religion and of opening up Nationalism, so it really shouldn't be that much more than Theology which also gives a religion, good civic, a wonder that is more relevant in most situations, and Hagia and opens up Paper.
So...actually, why should it cost more than Theology? Why shouldn't it be the same base cost but without the prerequisite bonus?
you forget the real benefit of aesthetics: its a pre-req for literature (hence paper and everything that requires paper). the same couldnt be said for divine right.
I mostly agree with Plako though.. we don't need to fix another thing that isn't broken.
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Hey, I'm not exactly thrilled with more changes. Just interested to see if someone can make a case for or against any changes.
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