Diplomacy Master Thread- Helping Your Opponents Beat Themselves

[sooooo]

Well, at least he didn't call it a diplomacy sub-game of the demogame...

Heh, this made me LOL.

I think we'll be fine too. The main efforts of our diplomacy over the next 10 turns should be towards civplayers.

[spacetyrantxenu]

Hi Sommer,

Thank you for your timely response and for a super helpful reminder of the game situation. We had not noticed that we were winning and you were not. Thank you for your congratulations, it touches our hearts deeply. Even our turn player wept. You honor us all with your kind words.

We also are excited to explore the new opportunities that await us as we are released from the restraints of these agreements that so far have withheld our aggression from the world. Let me tell you, keeping this crew over here in line has been no easy task, but the leveler heads among us have always been able to point to these agreements as law, and we honor our laws! Needless to say, we will need some means of holding back these beasts in the future, or they may show fangs and come out for blood! Lol! haha!

Anyway, we hope that as your team climbs the ladder of opportunity nothing goes wrong with your plans, it would be a great tragedy for anything to happen to you guys since you've been so super friendly and helpful to us in this game. We hope you guys enjoy your position in second (or is it third?) place, you guys look good back there.

Thanks,

Xenu,
Patronizing Tyrant
Realms Beyond

Preview Edit: several x-posts

[kjn]

In-game info request: Can I get a full list of all active deals GWT has with other teams? OB, resource deals, etc. I'm wondering if we can lean on a few teams to cut off their deals with GWT, so if I could look at a list, I think we could get a pretty good idea of who might be willing.

Heh. Good thing I decided to check here before I logged out. GWT's deals:

Gems, spices from us
Marble to us

OB with us, Spanish Apolyton, Apolyton, CivPlayers, CFC, Univers

[Sullla]

Great work diplomatically. Now we know for sure that CFC is declaring war on Turn 175, and that they've realized their mistake in signing that earlier 75 turn NAP. With dozens of turns to prepare, we should be able to minimize the damage. As others have said, the real grunt work will be done in diplomacy with other teams. At the moment, it looks roughly like this:

Realms Beyond + WPC + Spanish
CFC + Germans + Apolyton (?)

And we have no real idea what CivFr, UniversCiv, or CivPlayers are doing. Honestly, this really comes down to a successful war against the Germans. If we take them out, it will be very difficult for other teams to defeat us, barring some kind of crazy 5 vs 1 alliance or whatever (which is on the table too!) If we stall out against the Germans and are still deep in their territory on T175, we're going to be in real trouble. Just have to win and win fast.

[kjn]

Hi Scooter,

As promised, here is a response to your question about the NAP.

Good luck, and don't trip over the elephants!

Thxby,
Realms Beyond

[Boldly Going Nowhere]

Great work diplomatically. Now we know for sure that CFC is declaring war on Turn 175, and that they've realized their mistake in signing that earlier 75 turn NAP. With dozens of turns to prepare, we should be able to minimize the damage. As others have said, the real grunt work will be done in diplomacy with other teams. At the moment, it looks roughly like this:

Realms Beyond + WPC + Spanish
CFC + Germans + Apolyton (?)

And we have no real idea what CivFr, UniversCiv, or CivPlayers are doing. Honestly, this really comes down to a successful war against the Germans. If we take them out, it will be very difficult for other teams to defeat us, barring some kind of crazy 5 vs 1 alliance or whatever (which is on the table too!) If we stall out against the Germans and are still deep in their territory on T175, we're going to be in real trouble. Just have to win and win fast.

If we should somehow find ourselves mired in German territory, we can always appeal to their sense of self-preservation and call a halt to our advance to cover ourselves for a T175 attack by CFC et al, then come back and finish the rump state carcass of Germany later when it is more convenient.

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lol @ Xenu. Your smarm knows no bounds.

[kjn]

And if they complain about our trading elephants to the Spanish team, then I think we can reply with that they're currently using our stone as a future happy resource, since they're building the Notre Dame. We estimate that they could finish the wonder at least 8t earlier thanks to our stone, and as such they owe us 8*2*15g or 240g for this.

[SleepingMoogle]

I think our top priority should be to make some sort of agreement with CivPlayers. Even having them neutral will be fine if we can't form an alliance, but ideally we'll want to point them towards Apolyton while we shift focus to CFC.

The same goes for CivFr. If we can get both them and CivPlayers to attack Apolyton, that should win us the game.

Against CFC, we may want to consider keeping up good relations with WPC to persuade them into declaring alongside us. They probably won't accomplish much against CFC, but if they can be enough of a nuisance it'll probably draw some units away from us.

The Spanish should be easily won over as well, if they are still around in 25 turns.

I have no idea what to do with UniversCiv. In all likelihood, they'll remain neutral and just watch the world go up in flames from the sidelines.

I would recommend keeping a scouting unit or two in CFC's territory to monitor what their forces are doing (and relay that info to the Spanish) as long as we have open borders. It's unlikely that they would NAP-stab us, but I'd rather not take any chances.

[SevenSpirits]

Great work diplomatically. Now we know for sure that CFC is declaring war on Turn 175, and that they've realized their mistake in signing that earlier 75 turn NAP.

I don't agree that it was a mistake for them. It would have been a mistake for them to go to war before now. Instead they expanded, built pyramids, and teched up to the era where dogpiles can actually work.

[NobleHelium]

And if they complain about our trading elephants to the Spanish team, then I think we can reply with that they're currently using our stone as a future happy resource, since they're building the Notre Dame. We estimate that they could finish the wonder at least 8t earlier thanks to our stone, and as such they owe us 8*2*15g or 240g for this.