The main reason I'm voting Slowcheetah is his post about Ichabod after Rowain and I tried to start a wagon on him:
(June 22nd, 2013, 04:51)slowcheetah Wrote: Looking through the case against Ichabod is interesting as well. I believe it was Rowain who stated that his last vote for pindicator had no reasoning:
(June 21st, 2013, 15:13)Ichabod Wrote:
(June 21st, 2013, 14:56)pindicator Wrote: Zak, i already posted my reason. It's more of a feel off his posts, and how it reminds me of a prior wolf game of his.
Question back at ya: after your back and forth with Brick, what's your thoughts on him and his accusation on you?
Pindicator.
If he's a wolf it's cleverer then that. The message is confusing, there are multiple different interpretations of the image, and no thorough explanation. Therefore:
1) Ichabod's posts encourages people to look back at pindicators posts
2) If something suspicious springs out they are more likely to come to the conclusion that is what the picture meant and agree with Ichabod.
As I type this I realise that occams razor suggest it more likely the Ichabod also wanted to have fun with pictures. He also feels more like villager Ichabod than the long, wordy wolfabod I played with once.
"Ichabod would be a sneaky wolf, but I think he is probably innocent."
It feels opportunistic and suggestive.
I also didn't like his meek, apologetic tone towards those who voted for him early on.
(June 22nd, 2013, 05:40)Qgqqqqq Wrote: Slows post, spoiled for reference:
(June 21st, 2013, 15:45)slowcheetah Wrote:
(June 21st, 2013, 15:26)Qgqqqqq Wrote:
(June 21st, 2013, 07:27)slowcheetah Wrote: Lynch tells, nothing strikes me as obvious. Q feels curt and I'm a relatively easy mislynch, so good to go after. On the otherhand my first post was apparently pretty baity based on the reactions of most.
I know its a instant reaction to go after someone you feel attacking you, but I don't like this post. Firstly, I'm not really going after you as you claim, a simple post saying a reason I found you suspicious is nothing more then half the players have at this point. Therefore it seems to me that you're simply attacking people voting you at this point, which is an easy move to get away with because you can claim emotional reaction. In the process you are dismissing the vote by saying that you're easy to go after, while simultaneously excusing your suspicion against me by saying that it was a bait worthy post.
I'm not sure I've explained myself properly, but the summary is an attack without attacking, avoiding a confrontation while smearing my vote on you.
Because that strategy worked out incredibly well in my last game as a wolf.
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Quote:I don't want to kill Brick entirely because I'm enjoying his posts. Zak and you are sparring, leaves me fairly convinced that my vote for you has less of a point than it did in the first place.
Fluff, dismissing his earlier vote (though I still find the timing suspect). Is he saying he has town read on zak/Rowain? I can't tell.
They're valuable because they are discussing (more than most, myself very much included). I don't have an alignment read on either of them
Quote:Azza hasn't really said much.
A very easy on azza, no real explanation and maintaining that there's no suspicion (so he has no responsibility). Azza never says much, but you really do seem to be trying to fly under the radar.
(June 21st, 2013, 08:16)slowcheetah Wrote: Wel if nobody is really ringing, surely the best option is ringing up one of the guys with low post counts. It's not like we are particularly late in day one yet.
Quote:Why is the best option to dump a vote on someone who isn't going to post because of it (azza)? And someone who isn't going to be lynched today, who you have no suspicions on?
It isn't the end of the day, or anywhere near it. We have plenty of time, I didn't have many leads. Seems like the ideal time to get lurkers to talk.
Quote:Slow doesn't say much in his other posts. Suffice to say, I think he's trying desperately to lurk and avoid confrontation. slowcheetah
Or maybe he's been relatively busy today, and finds day one HARD to get any kind of solid read, or even an inkling. Hell I've played very few games without a cheatsheet. You guys are barking up the wrong tree, unfortunately for the village, I think that the correct move at this point is to vote for Jowy I'm not a fan of his deliberately sparse and obstructive posts.
Honestly, I don't think you reply to me at all here. First you dismiss my suspicion with a simple WIFOM - you don't bother to discuss the accusations, or even react to them. Second you focus on my dismissing your reactions to the other events as fluff, but simply say that their conversation is valuable, and that you have no reads. Then you ignore my accusation on the azza vote (though that may be a quoting error) and instead simply restate that it was a good time to pressure lurkers (which I had dealt with earlier when stating that azza is a compulsive lurker so what's the point).
Basically, I'm not seeing any real defence in this post, and my earlier problems with your play remain, and your recent posts aren't helping.
[cooler=red]slowcheetah[/color]
Honestly, I'm not really sure what to say here. I definitely didn't ignore your azza accusation, I explained again that I had low reads and it was early in the day so I felt ringing up a lurker was a a good plan. When I found some leads I have followed them.
(June 22nd, 2013, 05:53)Qgqqqqq Wrote: Oh and I understand fully problems with time/availability, and don't mean to impinge that.
As to your most recent post - I still don't buy the I'm a good target to muddy the waters with defence. Like I said, wolves attack those that seem suspicious, and I don't see any especial reason for them to go after you ahead of Jowy or MJW (as it stood then). I'm not saying there aren't any on you, just that your focus on those hitting you (and generally because they had attacked you) is suspect.
The "I read posts with my name in red more carefully" I do find entirely believable, its just that you've been counter attacking, rather then addressing the points raised.
And no, it wasn't the posted reasoning on Ichabod I found suspicious, just mentioning it was incidental that that was what you were posting at a time when you've just been attacked for it, you post a accusation that doesn't accuse.
I've explained my reasons but they evidently aren't good enough for you. No point wittering on for pages and pages when I can be finding wolves. I posted my stance on likely wolf candidates just before, Ichabod was just an interesting sidenote, partially investigated so as to keep an eye on Rowain and Zak.
(June 22nd, 2013, 11:35)pindicator Wrote: So you're voting for me because when you voted for me before with no reasoning I didn't react? What kind of messed up circular logic is that?
How about this: I dismissed your vote when I first saw it because you didn't put any reasoning with it and it didn't make sense. It didn't really register as odd until zak brought it up today, then I thought about it.
I'm voting for you because considering all the circumnstances of the game, you are the most suspicious player that I have a chance of lynching today. I made that first vote because your posts felt strange, your reaction to it was one that I can see as a wolfy one, there was nothing else pointing me away from your possible wolfiness. All these considered, I'm voting for you.
Well, if you do succeed I hope they don't come after you tomorrow. You sound more try-hard villager than wolf, IMO.
However, you are getting me thinking about people who are voting for me. Of them all, I think people need to look closer at this guy:
(June 21st, 2013, 17:24)uberfish Wrote: I actually like slowcheetah's post concerning Pindicator
@Jowy your "a wolf would never do that" defence isn't going to get people off you because it's WIFOM. My problem with you is that you aren't explaining your reads, ie: why is MJW probably village?
Piggy-backs onto slowcheetah's case, but doesn't contribute any reasoning of his own. And never responded to my posts regarding it.
@SC
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I believe 5 people are voting for me right now, NOT including pindicator, but he was the one whose postings seemed the most suspicious.
When you wrote this it were just the same 2 people voting for you as in Gazglums tally. Are you trying to play the "I'm not paying close attention so I'm clearly a villager"-card here?
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I was jumping around the thread at the time, I'd seen you tally and thought it was accurate. The point still stands though, numerous people have attacked (voted) for me, but pindicator has been the one suspicious enough to get a rise.
Gordon Brown said something very similar before losing the last election...
(June 22nd, 2013, 09:37)pindicator Wrote: Okay, tip for free in case you are village (which it's starting to look more like) – do you think ALL the wolves would gang up on you day one out of the gate? The last thing that scum wants to do is give away themselves or their team.
But I agree with you that wolves will try to blend in and do little. Which makes me vote for zakalwe
I don't think all wolves will ganag up on me, but I think that it is very likely there is a wolf on me, or has been on me. You were my favourite candidate from that. Zakalwe vote is interesting, I ge tthe impression he's been fairly involved.
(June 22nd, 2013, 11:42)zakalwe Wrote: The main reason I'm voting Slowcheetah is his post about Ichabod after Rowain and I tried to start a wagon on him:
[spoiler][quote='slowcheetah' pid='385498' dateline='1371894663']
Looking through the case against Ichabod is interesting as well. I believe it was Rowain who stated that his last vote for pindicator had no reasoning:
"Ichabod would be a sneaky wolf, but I think he is probably innocent."
It feels opportunistic and suggestive.
I also didn't like his meek, apologetic tone towards those who voted for him early on.
What are the town tells that I'm missing?
I looked at Ichabod because you and Rowain did. It was relevant in investigating three parties, and since I bothered to look why wouldn't I post about it? My primary suspect is pindicator. In all honesty it feels like the fact that I posted my thoughts on people seperately rather than a big blocky megapost is what's getting me suspicion here.
To your second People vote for you in this game, as long as you don't get lynched who cares. Grudges get the village killed.
(June 22nd, 2013, 11:42)zakalwe Wrote: The main reason I'm voting Slowcheetah is his post about Ichabod after Rowain and I tried to start a wagon on him:
(June 22nd, 2013, 04:51)slowcheetah Wrote: Looking through the case against Ichabod is interesting as well. I believe it was Rowain who stated that his last vote for pindicator had no reasoning:
(June 21st, 2013, 15:13)Ichabod Wrote:
(June 21st, 2013, 14:56)pindicator Wrote: Zak, i already posted my reason. It's more of a feel off his posts, and how it reminds me of a prior wolf game of his.
Question back at ya: after your back and forth with Brick, what's your thoughts on him and his accusation on you?
Pindicator.
If he's a wolf it's cleverer then that. The message is confusing, there are multiple different interpretations of the image, and no thorough explanation. Therefore:
1) Ichabod's posts encourages people to look back at pindicators posts
2) If something suspicious springs out they are more likely to come to the conclusion that is what the picture meant and agree with Ichabod.
As I type this I realise that occams razor suggest it more likely the Ichabod also wanted to have fun with pictures. He also feels more like villager Ichabod than the long, wordy wolfabod I played with once.
"Ichabod would be a sneaky wolf, but I think he is probably innocent."
It feels opportunistic and suggestive.
I also didn't like his meek, apologetic tone towards those who voted for him early on.
What are the town tells that I'm missing?
Well, I just didn't see anything pointing towards wolf in his posts, like I saw in the previous game. The post you quote is not very good, yes, but I could see myself doing a similar one as a villager.
I should probably reread slow's posts, but I won't do it without a scraper. How do you feel about Uberfish, MJW and Pindicator, Zak? If you are not willing to vote for them, I might change for slowcheetah. I'd also like to have an idea about how the votes are spread.
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