Ichabod suspected other people too, novice. He ended the day voting uberfish amd also voted zakalwe IIRC
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(June 26th, 2013, 14:27)pindicator Wrote: Ichabod suspected other people too, novice. He ended the day voting uberfish amd also voted zakalwe IIRC Sure, I was just responding to Q's question on Gaz. Ichabod's final Uberfish vote was just an experiment related to the double vote, though.
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Only one night kill and nobody is raising an eyebrow.
I suspect Uberfish based on some tone reading, and for making a bad case against me. His case against Gazglum didn't really do it for me, either. So I think he could be a superwolf, working hard on his fake scum hunting. He was happy to include the 1-1-1 argument in his case against me, which isn't his style, as Lewwyn pointed out. He also made a huge deal out of the timing of my QT reveal, even though I think I've explained that very adequately. It feels like he was pushing just for the sake of pushing at the end of the day.
If you know what I mean.
I didn't state you were my top two suspects (and you aren't...) I was just finding the lack distinctive.
And asking about gazglum is just a way to get you taking about something in particular as otherwise it might be hard to know what to comment on, especially given that you may not have thought about the game much.
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(June 26th, 2013, 14:46)zakalwe Wrote: Only one night kill and nobody is raising an eyebrow. I think it's a good case for only one scum team, especially if we believe lewwyn. Zak, that uberfish case resonates with me. I notice that both rowain and ichabod were pushing uberfish
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Seriously pind? Rowain's self preservation argument wasn't really convincing anyone else (neither was mine against you I guess.) Ichabod said clearly that his vote on me was for the purposes of testing what was going on with the double vote. he was voting with me against gazglum and zak, so clearly he didn't think I was scum.
The question is, is Pind trying to deflect attention from someone else with this attempt to pin the night kills on me? Zak's case on me is total crap, so apparently he can accuse me based on "tone" and I can't accuse Gazglum based on early game style difference? LOL. I've already explained my stance on 1:1:1 very clearly. And zak is turning something I originally just mentioned into a "huge deal". I don't even understand why anyone would think it's "not my style" to consider meta. I mean, I've designed quite a few games, it's very natural for me to consider whether a setup element would have made sense, in fact I've lynched someone almost purely for claiming a role that didn't make sense before (IIRC it was merovech, who fakeclaimed in that marathon length game.) Oh and BTW zak says that he was sitting back on day 2 but not day 1. My opinion is that he was sitting back on day 1 too. Just lots of "X what do you think of Y?" "No followup." "I agree with Z for no reason." "I dislike W for no reason." Zak's obviously going to argue but you can just go back and read his posts, that's most of what he does day 1. There is a bit of meta in favour of Q: the doublevoter is almost certainly scum for not aligning his public and private votes, so it's more likely that town has the 0.1 tiebreak to balance things out. And I haven't picked up much of a scummy vibe from Q's posts. I do expect him (and jkaen) to contribute more today though.
I found this sequence of posts from the day 2 quicktopic a bit... odd.
(June 26th, 2013, 10:12)pindicator Wrote: 57 Mostly I agree with BRick's reactions here that Pindicator's focus on Lewwyn seems odd, and that it could appear that Pindicator's just trying to shake off BRick's question. But I also find it a bit strange how quickly BRick goes from a "strong town read" on Pindicator to cross-interrogation mode. I guess I'd just like to hear other people's take on this.
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Well, I had a similar thought that Brick could be overdoing the "paranoia" in the QT. In fact, I believe he hinted at that passage up front, before the QT was even posted, which might speak of a guilty conscience of sorts (i.e. knowing there was something there that might look a bit suspect). I also thought it was a little bit odd that he "gave permission" for Pindicator to post the QT - it's not like Pindicator needed his permission.
 So he was kind of going out of his way to be cooperative, there. Finally, I had a random thought earlier that it's a bit strange that he doesn't know the exact sanity threshold for his post restriction. I don't really see why his PM wouldn't just state that explicitly. That's very minor, though. But overall, I do think he's a lynch to consider.Also related - I do think Pindicator gave a pretty solid explanation for his Lewwyn fixation. Ok, reading it again before submitting, post 62 there really does stand out. Post 61 looks like a pretty natural comment to make on Lewwyn, I think. I remember having the same thought when reading Lewwyn's post - who justifies his vig kill with "he looked like a villager"? It made me chuckle. So post 62 looks like an overreaction. And if those were his genuine thoughts - why just blurt them out like that?I'll sleep on it, but it does look suspicious.
If you know what I mean.
Sanity 13? Definitely eye-twitch time. Maybe even muttering under the breath.
In the night phase Kevin Rudd also lynched Julia Gillard, so I'm a bit distracted at the moment. (Australian political turmoil). I need to reread and think. One point - I'm a little suprised that Brick still apparently has his post restriction Sanity 13. We've had 4 townies killed vs 1 ghoul, who may or may not have counted as a full scum. That's...not a great ratio. But even in an underperforming village, Brick still hasn't reached his freedom limit on Day 3 (meaning, that if we had got a wolf, he would likely still be restricted on Day 4). That's a harsh restriction. And the context (Brick can post MORE sanely as the town gets LESS sane) reminds me a little of Azza's faked PR when he was a Minecraft monster, who claimed he could only be active during the day, even though Minecraft monsters are out at night. It runs counter to what you might expect. @ Uber (June 25th, 2013, 16:58)uberfish Wrote: Agree with novice that the secret vote has been used in a scummy fashion. So maybe it's 2-3-12, with the 2 having the secret vote? 3-3-11 feels like too many scum anyway. (June 26th, 2013, 17:34)uberfish Wrote: There is a bit of meta in favour of Q: the doublevoter is almost certainly scum for not aligning his public and private votes, so it's more likely that town has the 0.1 tiebreak to balance things out. And I haven't picked up much of a scummy vibe from Q's posts. I do expect him (and jkaen) to contribute more today though. You're putting a bit of emphasis on the double vote being scummy Uber, though I agree it is interesting. I also think that you are ballsy enough to have put the first double vote on yourself. You were on at deadline Day 1 and had 2 minutes to see that the bandwagon was sliding away from you onto MJW. You had time to see Pindicator get you out of danger, and then fire a one-word PM to Serdoa. Second day you attacked Zak hard after the QT reveal, and have continued today. If you are a wolf then I can see you setting up a 2-day campaign against Zak, while using the double vote to help ensure that Zak stays around another day (and potentially getting rid of a rival scum faction, if you thought Slow really might be a ghoul). It would then be in your interest to talk up the scumminess of the vote, to gain indirect town cred. It's a bit tinfoil, but hey, sanity is 13. I'd be interested in hearing who else you suspect of having the power.
Really torn right now.
(June 26th, 2013, 14:46)zakalwe Wrote: He was happy to include the 1-1-1 argument in his case against me, which isn't his style, as Lewwyn pointed out. He also made a huge deal out of the timing of my QT reveal, even though I think I've explained that very adequately. It feels like he was pushing just for the sake of pushing at the end of the day. I actually agree with parts of this argument. I made some of them myself. But I still think you are scum zak. Who do you suspect beyond uberfish? I think my biggest issue is that you have been A) focused on slowcheetah for two days, B) not particularly discussed a bunch of other suspects except to say by process of elimination you've ruled them out and C) jumped on the MJW wagon with ease instead of staying with slowcheetah. Day 1 I was on slowcheetah. In fact 3 people were. If you really suspected him why not push that more at the end of day 1? Or we're you saving his mislynch for the next day and jumped at the opportunity to knock off someone else in the chaos?
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