WW25 - Game Thread

[Qgqqqqq]

I am starting to get worried how much this whole wolves would only hide in the background never attack thing gets trotted out by people, I would be very tempted when I get to be a wolf to go on pure crusades all game and use this as a defense

Sorry, perhaps I was unclear. I don't see that as a defence in and of itself (and I certainly don't like lynching lurkers) I just don't see it as a grounds to attack someone, paticularly someone who is voting you.
I also think its a cop-out as a defence - I mean, every villager knows their innocence, but sometimes people seem to assume this means they're being targeted.

[novice]

I've been skeptical of BRick's claim all along, but was willing to give him tonight to let his alleged secondary ability do its magic. I thought maybe his initial, unjustified vote for Q today was due to a night action result, but apparently not.

His actual claim today disappointed to say the least. He's been confusing and misleading the village for two days, generating suspicion on other players that may be entirely unjustified. I'm happy to lynch him and blame him if he flips villager. I'd rather do that than lynch any "drones".

I think Uberfish and Zak may well both be village, since I can agree with the reasoning from both sides. I don't really have any suspects that feel more likely to be scum than not apart from BRick.

[Jkaen]

Qgq,

Although I quoted you I dare say I could have quoted about 6 other people in the thread expressing the same opinion, so take it as a meta comment in general rather than something specifically against you

[Qgqqqqq]

Yeah, I kinda did, but I thought it worth explaining anyway.
Also, it's a lot harder to hide if you're thinking up crusades on everyone, but I admit I understand your concern.

[zakalwe]

Well, I think Brick may be lying about why he was lying.

To elaborate a bit on this, his stated motivation is very selfish - it was just to avoid heat on himself - and it's kind of unclear how that would even work. But he had no qualms about letting people be suspected for distrusting his post restriction, for example. When I said his PR looked fake, he ridiculed me. The tie to sanity, giving himself an out, must have been improvised as well. So as far as I can tell, he was prepared to fake the PR throughout the game, and act like anyone who questioned it must be scum. That's not exactly a pro-town game plan. It just seems a recipe for staying alive as long as possible while causing a lot of confusion and distraction in the process. In other words, it's something you might do as scum if you're not confident in your own ability to make it all the way.

Lewwyn - if Brick is scum, then maybe he was hoping to glide through another day, so he started posting picures. But when a complex case against him was presented he realized that he would have to abort in order to defend properly. Or maybe he was going for more "wolf would never do that" points by confessing. Yeah... that's probably not a very compelling argument. But in any case, even if it's quite likely that he's innocent, we should still lynch him.

[Jkaen]

While I have nothing in general against lynch all liars, and I agree he has wasted a lot of village time this game, I can believe that he decided ahead of the game to do this no matter what he pulled, even if it may have been a bad idea.

I also think given how bad we are doing we cant afford a policy lynch at this point, he really does need to have a nice complete sum up post of all his views now so we can understand what he thinks on everything without playing around with his pictures anymore, then can review things from there

[zakalwe]

I think Uberfish and Zak may well both be village, since I can agree with the reasoning from both sides. I don't really have any suspects that feel more likely to be scum than not apart from BRick.

I agree with this sentiment. I'm not actually hugely suspicious of Uberfish either, he just feels like a good bet given the relative scarcity of scum tells. As mentioned, part of why I suspect him is that he felt way too confident that I was scum, yesterday. He didn't have a good case, and he should have acknowledged that. That also ties in with my tone reads. He's been assertive in the wrong places, and a little too uncertain in other places. But maybe that's just BS.

[zakalwe]

I also think given how bad we are doing we cant afford a policy lynch at this point, he really does need to have a nice complete sum up post of all his views now so we can understand what he thinks on everything without playing around with his pictures anymore, then can review things from there

I agree with the second part, i.e. that this is his chance to redeem himself, now that he "can" post freely. I disagree that whether or not we can "afford" it should factor into the policy lynch decision. So maybe we lose this game if he's town. If so, that's the price we pay to enforce that policy, and it will pay off later in terms of reducing the chance that townies will lie to us. (On the other hand, if you don't mind playing in games where your teammates lie to you, then the "lynch all liars" policy probably isn't for you.)

[Gazglum]

I don't know. If Brick is scum then he has scumbuddies in his quicktopic, and the decision about dropping the post restriction would have been discussed. If I was partnered with Brick, I would have advised him to drop the post restriction after Sanity dipped below 15, ie: at the start of Day 3. I think most of us would have done the same. It was pretty inevitable that he was going to get some pressure about it today otherwise.

And if the scum didn't want him to drop the fake restriction, I think they would have told him to hold his nerve once people started voting him. Coming clean when he did - only after some votes started coming onto him, feels like the worst timing for scum looking to avoid suspicion.

It's all WIFOM I guess. But I find it hard to believe that Brick had multiple scumbuddies advising him to do what he did. It's possible that he's a lonely ghoul, I guess.

I still don't like Uber too much, and I still think that one of the MJW voters is scum. That list is narrowing now. I might re-read Mattimeo tonight.

[Jkaen]

I think it needs to be enacted every now and then, but as default button no.

Always as with everything its a grey scale. For example I could see a case when I claimed I had no power role when I was infact the seer. I would assume that you wouldnt apply lynch all liars at that point.