WW25 - Game Thread

[Mattimeo]

Jowy I admit has been posting a lot more coherently the last day. On the other hand, I don't think I believe his vanilla claim. And Jowy, you never explained the "I'm so dead tonight," post. Why would you think you were going to be a target

That's a good point. Is anybody else vanilla in this game?

As I've stated before, including exactly 1 vanilla town in a role-madness game is not an uncommon occurrence.

[novice]

Unofficial vote count since i don't think we've had one.

novice (4.1) - BRick, Qgqqqqq, Lewwyn, Pindicator
BRick (2) - novice, mattimeo
uberfish (1) - gazglum
zakalwe (1) - uberfish
Jowy (1) - jkaen
Gazglum (1) - zakalwe

zakalwe

Novice

Brick

Novice

Updated count:

novice (6.1) - BRick, Qgqqqqq, Lewwyn, Pindicator, Gazglum, JKaen
BRick (3) - novice, mattimeo, zakalwe
zakalwe (2) - uberfish, jowy

Ok in two posts now I see the seeds of novice trying to build a case on me for my (admittedly) low post count, which I see as flailing around for a lunch able alternate to brick

I'm not building a case on you, I'm frustrated that you're not playing. With scum ganging up on me every villager needs to pull his weight.

At this point, sure I'll lynch other players than BRick.

[novice]

holding info to "bait" people just bad. so many other way to do same, but without compromising status of real info.

Such as?

Uberfish, you keep saying how Jowy contributes. He does produce some coherent reasonings, but he also goes on to ignore criticism of those posts.

Jowy, for the third time, what are these ways of baiting people without compromising the status of real info that you're alluding to? And if compromising the status of real info is so bad, why aren't you voting for BRick?

I have villager reads on Lewwyn and Pindicator. I find Gazglum and JKaen's late arrivals on my bandwagon very suspicious, though, like they waited to see if the village was serious about lynching me before putting the final nails in the coffin. Q could go either way, he cast the initial vote on me before we started discussing the BRick case IIRC.

[Gazglum]

Novice, you started the day voting for Q, which you then explained as following a presumed night-result from Brick. But after Brick confessed to having nothing, you still kept Q as second on your Most Wanted scum list. What do you see as the case against him?

You say that we have our heads up our arses, but all you're offering in your defence is "Brick is scummier". ANd now, 'six of the remaining eleven players are probably scum'. But who, specifically?

You say your style has evolved towards passivity, but you're becoming pretty Zen about not making cases:

I think Uberfish and Zak may well both be village, since I can agree with the reasoning from both sides. I don't really have any suspects that feel more likely to be scum than not apart from BRick.

I think you jumped on Brick as an easy policy lynch, and despite not getting as much support as you expected you dug in. Since then you've posted a lot, but there's nothing concrete there. What's the point of a very professional looking list of everyone from scummiest to least scummy, if you also think that there's nobody more likely than not to be scum? And then posts like, "Jkaen hasn't commented," "Gazglum isn't helping", "I think xyz are wolves". That's not case building.

Why do the wolves have to be Gazglum/Q and Uberfish/Jowy/Jkaen, in that split? Why not Uberfish and Jkaen, or Gazglum and Q? Again, this comes across to me as a kind of false specificity. You've arranged suspects in what looks like a considered order, but given no real reasoning for why.

[Gazglum]

I have villager reads on Lewwyn and Pindicator. I find Gazglum and JKaen's late arrivals on my bandwagon very suspicious, though, like they waited to see if the village was serious about lynching me before putting the final nails in the coffin. Q could go either way, he cast the initial vote on me before we started discussing the BRick case IIRC.

Ok, that's a little more specific. I also have strong town-reads on Lewwyn and Pindicator, and at the moment they're both on you.

[Jowy]

you know what, i think a lot of points you make are good zak. but i also cant trust your word. last day you got villager lynched with ur shady evidence. today u spend a lot of time doing smear campaign on me. things like "forcing jowy to role claim" when i already role claimed just reeks of desperation. if you are villager, what are u so desperate about? only thing villager know for sure is that they are a villager themselves. but you are not in danger.

novice if u want game lesson we can talk after game. zak had "incriminating evidence" according to himself. its really rare to get real evidence of something in this game. if u really believe u have piece of "incriminating evidence", and there is zero reason why releasing it earlier would help wolfs (for example seer shouldnt day 2 tell what he learned or hes lynched next night without being able to use ability more than once), u release it right away to help ur team. holding on to it only makes other villager question the evidence when it is brought up. though in this case zak was able to convince enough villager that evidence was real.. and what happen? villager got lynched.

[Gazglum]

While I'm in nitpick mode: how do you know that, Gazglum? Have you ever been involved in a late swing of votes right before the deadline?

Not right before the deadline. But last game at the end of Day 2, when Brick made his case against Azza I was totally taken in by it. I voted Azza too, and then you said you were going to, and I definitely felt that big surge of triumph that we were gonna get a wolf, and I was part of the A Team. That was pretty close to the deadline. And then you all switched away and it turned out I was part of the Noob Team, but I still felt the glee for a few shining minutes.

[Mattimeo]

Why do the wolves have to be Gazglum/Q and Uberfish/Jowy/Jkaen, in that split? Why not Uberfish and Jkaen, or Gazglum and Q? Again, this comes across to me as a kind of false specificity. You've arranged suspects in what looks like a considered order, but given no real reasoning for why.

colour coded for your convenience:

novice (5.1) - BRick, Qgqqqqq, Lewwyn, Pindicator, Gazglum
BRick (3) - novice, mattimeo, zakalwe
zakalwe (2) - uberfish, jowy
Jowy (1) - jkaen

Seems apparently to me why he split his targets like that...

[novice]

You say that we have our heads up our arses, but all you're offering in your defence is "Brick is scummier". ANd now, 'six of the remaining eleven players are probably scum'. But who, specifically?

I have villager reads on Lewwyn and Pindicator. I find Gazglum and JKaen's late arrivals on my bandwagon very suspicious, though, like they waited to see if the village was serious about lynching me before putting the final nails in the coffin. Q could go either way, he cast the initial vote on me before we started discussing the BRick case IIRC.

I think you jumped on Brick as an easy policy lynch, and despite not getting as much support as you expected you dug in.

This is pretty accurate, if by "easy" you mean "obvious". I was looking forward to another day of puzzling while we did the obvious lynch.

Why do the wolves have to be Gazglum/Q and Uberfish/Jowy/Jkaen, in that split? Why not Uberfish and Jkaen, or Gazglum and Q? Again, this comes across to me as a kind of false specificity. You've arranged suspects in what looks like a considered order, but given no real reasoning for why.

I'm kind of playing with my back against the wall here, so I apologize for being brief. At this point it seems I'm mostly doing analysis for my post mortem anyway. I did the split like that because I think scum would sit back and see how the wagon on me evolved before committing to it. So BRick with the natural defense vote, accompanied by a late voter and a fencesitter seems like a likely split. (This was before JKaen joined the wagon). After all, scum wouldn't want to risk enthusiastically joining my wagon, only to find that the villagers pulled their heads out of their asses and realized that BRick was the best lynch.

[novice]

novice if u want game lesson we can talk after game